new PAP special forces unit

Equation

Lieutenant General
Wonder why they are going with chainmail when it is weaker against stabbing weapons than scale or brigandine.

They could be fire retardant material like race car drivers and fire fighters used under their helmets, in this case for the police men it is for whenever the protesters start throwing Molotov cocktail bottles at them.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
Wonder why they are going with chainmail when it is weaker against stabbing weapons than scale or brigandine.
chainmail is the last layer of protection, they have plate armors outside in the photo. Plates will take the initial force of knife and blow, the chainmail will be against slicing if the blade slides off the plate. It is the same principle as the early ancient army.

In the west, Romans and later European knights wear chainmail under plate armors. In China, Song dynasty heavy troops wear chainmail under scale armor.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
They could be fire retardant material like race car drivers and fire fighters used under their helmets, in this case for the police men it is for whenever the protesters start throwing Molotov cocktail bottles at them.
The original post (in Chinese) stated that the chainmail is made of aluminium alloy, so I think it is meant against blade slicing rather than flame.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
The original post (in Chinese) stated that the chainmail is made of aluminium alloy, so I think it is meant against blade slicing rather than flame.

That chain mail is most likely designed and intended to stop lacerations from thrown glass objects, or stabbing/slashing attacks using broken bottles rather than stabbing or slashing bladed weapon attacks.

These are riot police gear, designed to deal with an out of control crowd, not the kind of terrorists knife attacks we have seen in China in recent years for example.

For the mail to have any chance to stop bladed weapon attacks, it needs to be more heavy duty, with multiple layers, and probably made from much stronger materials than aluminium alloy. The fact that they are using aluminium points of them being more concerned about weight than pure protection.
 

siegecrossbow

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chainmail is the last layer of protection, they have plate armors outside in the photo. Plates will take the initial force of knife and blow, the chainmail will be against slicing if the blade slides off the plate. It is the same principle as the early ancient army.

In the west, Romans and later European knights wear chainmail under plate armors. In China, Song dynasty heavy troops wear chainmail under scale armor.

I did notice that the exposed areas (mostly joints) are protected by chainmail.
 
Given how advanced and convincing manipulation of visuals are these days we could have fallen victim to multiple hoaxes without even knowing it. At least they provide an opportunity for some fun!
 

Franklin

Captain
The PAP is looking to buy the new Z-11WB attack helicopter

China’s armed police looks to buy new Z-11WB light attack helicopters

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The Chinese People’s Armed Police Force is to acquire the new Z-11WB light attack helicopters.

The Z-11WB light utility helicopter developed by Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC).

The Z-11WB designed for the ground support, attack, battlefield reconnaissance, command, counter-terrorism, counter-narcotics, counter-smuggling, and other tasks.

The Z-11WB helicopter based on AC311 and have French Turbomeca Arriel 2B1A turboshaft (based on a 2011 agreement between the French engine maker and AVIC).

The Chinese People’s Armed Police Force is a Chinese law enforcement force primarily responsible for civilian policing and fire rescue duties in the People’s Republic of China, as well as providing support to the PLA Ground Force during wartime.

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plawolf

Lieutenant General

Sorry to dig up such an old post, but I think I just recently stumbled on what these are.

These are not a modern innovation, but rather a modernised version of an ancient Chinese weapon - the mace, aka sword breakers.

Their intended role is to, as the name suggests, broke an opponent's sword.

Given that the most terrible recent terrorists attacks inside China have all involved sword wielding terrorist assailants, it only makes perfect sense for Chinese police to deploy hard counters against such weapons.

Sword breakers are best suited to being issued to patrolling police officers in densely populated locations like train stations and shopping centres, where:

A) use of firearms is going to be highly restrictive and problematic on account of the number of innocent bystanders fleeing for their lives in every direction.

B) where assailant(s) could easily get very close to the officers to launch surprise attacks like the recent Paris airport incident.

That was just one lone wolf, but if terrorists used Wolfpack tactics like they have done before in China, there is a chance that they might be able to overpower a small two man patrol. In which case they would then have firearms if those officers had guns.

With sword breakers, even if the terrorists can overpower a small two man patrol, they would only get blunt force weapons, which while capable of causing significant injury or even death, is going to be nowhere near as deadly as a terrorist with a looted police firearm.

C) as discussed above, if you have armed police deployed, you need to deploy them in decent sized groups.

Every time I see UK armed police patrolling in pairs armed to the teeth not even bothering to check their 6, I shake my head at the thought of how easy it would be for a group of 3-4 or more terrorists with simple everyday knives to overpower them and take their weapons. Then, suddenly you have two dead cops and 4 terrorists with guns, two of which are automatic assault rifles.

That's why armed Chinese PAP on deployment in places like Xinjiang deploy in a minimal of 3 man teams, back-to-back at all times.

But those are stationary sentries. For foot patrol, you need a good sized force. But that is a big draw on manpower.

With sword breakers, you can afford to deploy the cops on two man patrols to give you much greater coverage density.

You could also issue these to local police, to help with the PR side of things.

Move the gun armed units to stand-by rooms out of sight but nearby, and reply on cops armed with these sword breakers to maintain the frontline presence to do away with the under-seize/occupational force image problems.

These sword breakers are going to be considerably more effective at fending off sword wielding terrorists than your typical police batons, so they will be actually useful. But they won't yield the terrorists any especially useful weapons if they do manage to overpower the odd patrol during an attack.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Western press like to paint China as opressive to minority case in point Xinjiang Uyghur But there other ethncities then Uyghur in Xinjiang They come almost at the same time as Uyghur There are Kazakh, Kirghiz and Mongol, Xibe, beside Han and have the same right as Uyghur
Here is a tribute to the loyal KIrghiz patrol militia who has beed guarding the sensitive border for generations. They get stipend and facilities from the central government for their work
Very moving
In the mountains of Xinjiang, one family has been patrolling the border for four generations.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
The most effective and probably the only way to defend the boarder is making the local resident board guard in a militia unit. A family is a such unit.

An 74 years old boarder patrol in 2016.
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No uniforms when carrying out duty.
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Now they are issued uniforms and 2600 RMB a month allowance.
Collar patch "HB" means "护边", boarder guard.
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