China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft

delft

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I wonder if China's version of the AN-225 will be carrying a space shuttle of their own as well? Why not?:D:cool: Anyway if this news about the selling and producing of AN-225 is true, I will be spazzing. I love this big plane!:p:D
The Space Shuttle concept was flawed. It was a nice idea to begin with but then money was saved on development which resulted in an expensive and dangerous craft, Its Soviet counterpart looked better but still not good enough.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Here's a video of the AN-225 making a pit stop to Houston before taking off again from either George Bush International Airport or Ellington Field (Hobby Airport is just too small even with all the current renovation).

 

MwRYum

Major
Before we begin, think you need to Google Map and see for yourselves the region that falls under the jurisdiction of Luzhou, a prefecture-level city where terrain is predominately hilly; unless the enterprise decided to build its own facility there with its own runway, the only economical option is to latch onto the Luzhou Yunlong Airport that's still in construction, slated to be the new air hub for the area...can't find much about the new site, except that its runway is 2800m x 50m, rated for A320 and B737 jets, don't know if the runway and its surrounding aerial traffic conditions can handle something in the size of An-225 or An-124.

Next, the corporation...the only known registered location is in HK, with listed capital of 500 million HKD - that's 64-odd million USD for you. Now, unless productions and modules fabrications are outsourced to off-site facilities (including Antonov's own facilities in Ukraine) and only conduct final assembly in China (which still require quite an impressive hanger to house something in the size of An-225), they'll need to shell out cash - lots of it - to buy enough land to build their own production complex just next to the new airport...given one of those present at the signing ceremony is the representative of the airport industrial zone, so I think I got at least 50% right over there.

I do wonder at only state-level support can they secure that much loan...also, there's no indication as to who and what are their shareholders. If, like, they've got AVIC as a stake-holding shareholder and have their man in the Board of Directors then it's another matter entirely. Of course, given AVIC haven't had their own giant transport in the pipeline, they can just as easily buy in major shares when the project pick up momentum...

At worst? It's not the first time the Chinese government got scammed before anyway...
 

Blitzo

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Before we begin, think you need to Google Map and see for yourselves the region that falls under the jurisdiction of Luzhou, a prefecture-level city where terrain is predominately hilly; unless the enterprise decided to build its own facility there with its own runway, the only economical option is to latch onto the Luzhou Yunlong Airport that's still in construction, slated to be the new air hub for the area...can't find much about the new site, except that its runway is 2800m x 50m, rated for A320 and B737 jets, don't know if the runway and its surrounding aerial traffic conditions can handle something in the size of An-225 or An-124.

Next, the corporation...the only known registered location is in HK, with listed capital of 500 million HKD - that's 64-odd million USD for you. Now, unless productions and modules fabrications are outsourced to off-site facilities (including Antonov's own facilities in Ukraine) and only conduct final assembly in China (which still require quite an impressive hanger to house something in the size of An-225), they'll need to shell out cash - lots of it - to buy enough land to build their own production complex just next to the new airport...given one of those present at the signing ceremony is the representative of the airport industrial zone, so I think I got at least 50% right over there.

I do wonder at only state-level support cam they secure that much loan...also, there's no indication as to who and what are their shareholders. If, like, they've got AVIC as a stake-holding shareholder and have their man in the Board of Directors then it's another matter entirely. Of course, given AVIC haven't had their own giant transport in the pipeline, they can just as easily buy in major shares when the project pick up momentum...

At worst? It's not the first time the Chinese government got scammed before anyway...

You did read my entire post right? Specifically the second part, where I provided you with direct official confirmation from Antonov confirming the agreement?

And the cooperation agreement has been posted on Antonov's FB page as well, for further confirmation:
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ANTONOV COMPANY SIGNED COOPERATION AGREEMENT ON THE AN-225 PROGRAMME WITH AICC.

On August 30, 2016, ANTONOV Company included into Ukroboronprom SC and Aerospace Industry Corporation of China (AICC) signed Cooperation agreement on the AN-225 programme. In such way, the parties expressed their intensions as for long-term cooperation. The first stage of this interaction consists in construction of the second modernized AN-225 Mriya at ANTONOV Company and delivery of this aircraft to AICC. The second stage – organization of the joint series production of the AN-225 in China under licence of ANTONOV Company. Both stages will be realized in accordance with proper contracts.
Photo: fuselage of the second АN-225 at ANTONOV Company’s production facility.
 

delft

Brigadier
An-225 is derived from An-124 so I suppose that the technical documentation does include that for the "smaller" aircraft.

I just read, at last, Henri K.'s article
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and quote from it
Pour le projet à Guigang, la chaîne de télévision locale de Guigang confirme que la mairie de la ville et China Airspace ont signé un accord cadre pour y construire un site de production des pièces et des composants aéronautiques, notamment pour les moteurs.
I imagine that building the engine production plant will take several years and the equivalent of a few billion dollars.
If we imagine that the first new An-225 will be build by 2019 plus a few years delay in Kiev and that production in China will produce the next one by 2025 or so it doesn't look impossible.
 
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MwRYum

Major
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You did read my entire post right? Specifically the second part, where I provided you with direct official confirmation from Antonov confirming the agreement?
Well perhaps because I'm working in a law firm, I can't shake the habbit of only "signed, sealed and delivered" is classified as "official", and a brief statement on fb, even if it's ASC account, still informal for my preference. Luckily, ASC finally updated their website with this:
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And they do spell it out the first order of business is to complete it with that spare fuselage being in storage for so long. So yes, it's official enough in my book. Consider that once again, we're ahead of those major news outlets by perhaps a few days...

Now it's a matter of funding being realised for the necessary work to be done, at least for this first stage.

Still, the status concerning the AICC as well as Luzhou (the probable location for the production / assembly facility) are...well, suffice to say a lot of work will need to be done before 2019, at the earliest.
 
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Franklin

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The way I see this deal is that either AVIC is behind this or the owners of AICC has gone bonkers. Maybe China is not interested in the AN-225 itself but want the tech transfer to improve future production and future designs.
 

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Could An-225 become the "aerial Varyag"?

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