new PAP special forces unit

MwRYum

Major
Sorry my friend I have to disagreed with you there, tasers may not seem intimidating but they are really deadly and when used the victim's will go in a near paralyze state that the other trouble makers will witness and start having second guessing about taking on the police.:D;)
Don't get me wrong, but believe me or not I'm in fact an avid advocate of Taser, for its ability to inflict pain if not more (when in combo with other measures), alas to instil the fear for Taser you'd need a lax ROE to encourage its liberal application against the criminal class elements, with viral videos exhibiting the excruciating pains, screams and the subject's rapid if not total submission after repeated (and perhaps, long) Tasings, thus drum it into people's heads, and from then onwards whenever the loud crackling sound of Taser's arcing has been heard, only the most drugged out crackhead would still choose not to submit to the law.

...hmmm, last I check that classify as "torture"...Pffff. Damn liberals.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
The long handle of these police maces could easily have enough internal volume to allow them to put a big enough battery pack inside to make it into a powered taser mace (although I like the term power mace for its simplicity).

I am highly specticle of the claim these maces are for regular cops, since they have 'special assignment' written clear on their holsters, which are also on the uniform of the officers pictured with them. That's Chinese riot police.

Riot police the world over have very different operating procedures, which require very different equipment. It's rare to see riot police even in taser friendly countries and police forces to be issued with tasers.The primary reason is reaction time.

Ruling out things like shotgun taser rounds (which you are not going to be deploying as standard to beat cops), conventional pistol tasers are one-shot deals, and require the user to continue engaging the taser to keep applying power to the target.

That's fine for regular police work, where officers can expect to be dealing with one or two suspects and be able to comfortably outnumber them and still have other cops on parimetre duty keeping an eye on the crowd.

For riot cops, they will always be massively outnumbered if things turn violent, so they need to be able to subdue large numbers of attackers quickly. That is why teargas, pepper spray, water cannon and even rubber bullets are favoured by riot police over tasers.

To be frank, other than massed riots or terrorist attacks, it's very rare for Chinese police to have to resort of violence to resolve situations. It's not part of their SOP as it is with American police, so I really don't see there being any need to issue beat cops with tasers in China. Most of them don't even bother with a standard police baton never mind firearm. Which is why I'm so specticle of these being for regular beat cops.

Then there is also the price, if these are titanium, they will not be cheap. Can't see Chinese police buying those by the millions to make it standard issue for police.

Of course, you also have to consider the sheer size and weight of it. If every policeman in China gets issue with out of these, all criminals will have to do is run and the cops won't be able to catch them while dragging that thing around.

No, the more one things about it, the less sense it makes for this to be anything other than a specialist riot control gear.
 

siegecrossbow

General
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Here are some photos of PAP soldiers equipped with "wolf's tooth mace" (similar to the European morning star).

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plawolf

Lieutenant General
That is literally going medieval on th criminals.

These are issued in Tianjing, so I really have no idea what they were thinking.

It's a deadly and unwieldy weapon that can cause pretty horrific injuries.

I really struggle to see any situation where using them would be justifiable or even practical.

You need to really swing these to use them effectively, so creates a huge danger zone around the wielder that will be just as hazardous to fellow officers and innocent bystanders as it is against the intended target.

It will also be useless in anywhere other than a park or square where there is plenty of open space.

I think they chose them for intimation factor, but that's a poor reason to issue them.
 

SampanViking

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Interesting!
It certainly is Medieaval, but I do not see it a swung weapon, but more of a Pike style thrust weapon.
A line of officers pushing these, would certainly break up a rioting crowd, especially one where there are people with knives or other hand weapons.
I do understand how this could be a heavy option before the use of Firearms and Lethal Force in a crowd control situation. A weapon used at distance to literally "disarm" a rioter, rather than crush a skull.

If you had two ranks of officers similarly armed, I could see this as very effective for a controlled (none charge) advance to clear a street or square.

The difficulty I see (as this clearly is not going to be a piece of standard issue) is getting the things out of store and deployed before the incident is well and truly over and all concerned gone off to the pub.
 

MwRYum

Major
Because gun-welding violence is still extremely rare in China and even if occur, usually the Xinjiang region where automatic weapons are smuggled from neighbouring conflict zones, this thing is in response to the more likely knife-welding violence and the strict ROE Chinese law enforcement concerning firearms.

According to more pics posted, the mace are issued to those stationed at large public areas, 3-men standing post, one carry this scary thing, the other carry a shotgun and the other carry a fork-like pole that can pin the aggressor's torso safely. Think about it, unlike a metre-long pole where you might be able to grab onto the end to pin the policeman for that duration, you simply can't or won't want to try to do the same when against that! Unless, of course, you're so drugged up or drunk that you no longer capable of reasons.

Think of it like chainswords in "Warhammer 40000", just the presence of that thing alone speaks loudly of the intent and ability to inflict massive and messy pain. Works better than those tiny service pistol or that stupid revolver the Chinese police are issued with, unless of course you're carrying an AK, which calls for another level of game, and your opponent is now the SWAT team...

Like I said, in China size matters, and when something that big and with that many pointy bits, you got the intimidation factor covered in the ROE.
 
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vesicles

Colonel
Maybe those spikes are rubber and not metallic?

I'm thinking the same thing. A mace like that made of metal would weigh a ton. The soldiers look pretty at ease with them.

Even if it is rubber, I think it is a little too over the top. A wolf-tooth mace used to one of the most fearsome weapons on the battlefield in ancient China. The image of police officers holding it and the idea of police officers intending to use it on civilians would be a lot to swallow... I think this is more likely to backfire on them...
 

solarz

Brigadier
Maybe those spikes are rubber and not metallic?

The screen caption says they're made of iron.

I have no idea what they're thinking here. Here's to hoping it's just a dumb idea by an over-zealous commander and will get scrapped shortly.

It also mentions that it appeared at Tianjin's ancient culture street? Maybe it's a promotional stunt?

Anyway, I'm calling it here. Just wait until western media gets a hold of those pics, and we'll have a feeding frenzy.
 
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