Canadian Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

DCNS Confident its FREMM is the Right Solution for the Royal Canadian Navy CSC Program
8qfDLWX.jpg


Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
related:
Canada's Massive Surface-Combatant Program To Get Underway This Summer
The Canadian government will ask for bids as early as next month for the largest shipbuilding program in the country’s history, with the field of contenders for a new fleet of surface combatants expected to be dominated by European firms.

The project to build the Canadian Surface Combatant will see the selection of an existing warship design and combat system to reduce risk and speed up construction.

Procurement minister Judy Foote said the decision to base the warships on an existing vessel will allow the delivery of the ships two years earlier than could be expected with a new design.

The first of the warships, which will form the backbone of the future Royal Canadian Navy fleet, are expected around 2024.

Construction is to begin sometime after 2020.

Department of National Defence analysts have projected the ships could eventually cost (CAN) $40 billion (US $31 billion), and not the (CAN) $26 billion originally first estimated.

Foote has called the $26 billion figure "a really unrealistic number that we have to deal with — and we will."

Irving Shipbuilding of Halifax, Nova Scotia, will construct the warships and act as prime contractor.

Defense industry sources say they expect a formal request for proposals to be issued by the end of August or in early September.

The Canadian government has already pre-qualified the following firms to compete for the warship design: Alion-JJMA Corp., BAE Systems Surface Ships Limited, DCNS, Fincantieri, Navantia, Odense Maritime Technology and ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems.

But other companies also are being invited to consider whether their ship designs might meet Canada’s needs.

On July 25 the Spanish Navy’s F-105 frigate, Christopher Colombus, visited Halifax as Navantia promoted its warship design to the Royal Canadian Navy.

The French government and DCNS have conducted similar marketing in the past.

The Canadian program was to acquire 15 ships originally, but concerns about the budget have thrown that number into question.
source:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 

JudgeKing

New Member
Registered Member
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


The F-35 will make its debut in Canada at an airshow in British Columbia next week as aerospace companies ramp up their campaigns to sell the federal government new fighter aircraft.

The stealth aircraft is expected to arrive in Canada on Thursday, the first time the plane has come to Canada. It will be displayed at the Abbotsford International Airshow which starts Aug. 12.

The visit comes as F-35 manufacturer Lockheed Martin increases its campaign to convince Canada the stealth aircraft is the plane to replace the country’s CF-18 fighter jets.

Lockheed’s rival, Boeing, will also have its Super Hornet aircraft at the same airshow.

Two F-35s will be at the show, Lockheed Martin officials have confirmed. In addition, two Super Hornets will also be featured, in addition to a training simulator.

Five defence firms recently responded to the Liberal government’s call for information about fighter jets that could replace the CF-18s.

Boeing submitted information on its Super Hornet jet, Lockheed Martin provided information on the F-35A, Dassault responded with the data on the Rafale, Eurofighter with the Typhoon, and the Saab Group offered details on the Gripen aircraft.

During last year’s election campaign, Liberal leader Justin Trudeau promised Canada would not purchase the F-35, an aircraft he said was unnecessary for the country’s needs and too expensive.

Liberal defence minister Harjit Sajjan, however, has said he is interested in an open competition for the CF-18 replacement.

How the Liberals will now proceed on the replacement is unknown at this point. Sajjan says that the CF-18s have to be replaced as soon as possible.

But asked recently about when the Liberal government will know how it is going to proceed, Sajjan said he couldn’t provide specific details. “It all depends on a lot of the information that we do collect but it is going to be months, not years definitely because of the urgency for this,” he explained to journalists. “I can’t give you a precise date but like I said it will be in the months coming.”

The U.S. air force recently declared the F-35A ready for combat but aerospace analysts say much more work and testing needs to be done with the plane.

The F-35 became a major political headache several years ago for the Conservative government. Although a Liberal government originally signed on to a research and development program for the plane, the Conservatives significantly expanded commitment and later agreed to the purchase 65 of the planes.

At the time then Defence Minister Peter MacKay sat is a wooden model of a F-35 during a press conference that cost taxpayers $47,000.

But the F-35 program was dogged by controversy and the aircraft faced numerous technical problems.

The Department of National Defence originally claimed the project would cost around $14.7 billion, but then-parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page put the price tag for 65 aircraft at around $29 billion.

Auditor general Michael Ferguson also issued a report that concluded DND officials withheld key information from Parliament about the fighter-jet purchase, underestimated costs and didn’t follow proper procurement rules.

An independent audit on Canada’s proposed F-35 project found the purchase of the aircraft would cost $44 billion over the 42-year life of the plane. That figure included everything from maintenance to fuel.

In addition, some U.S. lawmakers have raised concerns the aircraft is too expensive and won’t be able to fulfill its military’s requirements.
 
wow Canada’s only operational submarine returns from North Sea drill
Her Majesty’s Canadian Submarine (HMCS) Windsor arrived at its homeport in Halifax on August 9, returning from the NATO exercise Dynamic Mongoose 2016.

The submarine spent little over 50 days underway during her deployment that was initially postponed in June.

Windsor had to return to port after it suffered an engine supercharger breakdown on June 3.

While the submarine may have been a bit late to arrive, Rear-Adm. John Newton, commander of Canadian Maritime Forces Atlantic, told media that most of the boat’s planned program would be recovered.

On arriving back Lt.-Cmdr. Peter Chu, Windsor’s commanding officer said the submarine lived up to its operational obligations and added that the crew had very little technical issues during the past two months.

The 10-day Dynamic Mongoose exercise, took place off the coast of Norway and ran from June 23 to July 2. It was attended by 3,000 sailors and aircrew from eight allied countries, including Canada, France, Germany, Norway, Spain, Turkey, the United Kingdom and the United States.

HMCS Windsor is one of four Victoria-class submarines Canada purchased from Britain in 1998.Various technical problems plagued the submarines ever since they were acquired. One occurrence even resulted in death when HMCS Chicoutimi caught fire in 2004 when nine sailors sustained injuries in the incident and one died shortly after being evacuated.
source:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Hahaha :D a new one :):rolleyes::confused:
Well, the Windsor itself had to return to port as it started this exercise due to enhgine troubles. They were repaired and they continued...but it is a pretty bad thing when the only one of the four that is usable fails like that.

Why is she the only one available?

Well, Chicoutimi and Victoria were taken out of active service in 2016 after hundreds of welds were found to not meet quality standards, affecting the ability of the subs to dive. They are still analyzing how they will repair those two.

Back in June 2011, Corner Brook ran aground during maneuvers off Vancouver Island. Two submariners were slightly injured. A board of inquiry formed after the collision found that the cause of the collision had been human error. In February 2012, a group of post-collision photos of the dry-docked submarine showed extensive damage to the bow leading some to believe that the Corner Brook's pressure hull may be damaged beyond repair.

Corner Brook went into a Extended Docking Work Period (EDWP) in July 2014. At best, it is expect3ed expected to take until 2017 to complete.

Which gets us back to why the Windsor is the only one of four Victoria class subs the Canadians have available.
 
Jul 29, 2016
related:
Canada's Massive Surface-Combatant Program To Get Underway This Summer

source:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
I watch it ... right from the middle of Europe :)
Warship design requests slightly delayed, coming out next month: defence official
A senior official with the Canadian Forces says there’s been a slight delay in issuing a complex request to industry for an
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
.

Pat Finn, the assistant deputy minister of materiel, says the request for proposals for the Canadian surface combatant vessels – originally expected to be issued this month – will be going out before mid-October to allow bidders a last chance to make suggestions on the criteria for the Royal Canadian Navy ships.

Finn said during an interview at a defence conference in Halifax that his department is working with the prime contractor,
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
, to produce over 1,500 pages of specifications for the project to build up to 15 ships.


He says it’s critical to do a good job on the specifications to avoid problems down the road, and that means giving suppliers “one more rotation” of comments before finalizing the request for proposal.

Finn says after the request for proposals is issued, the design bids would come in early in 2017 and by the end of next summer a general design may be selected, though final contracts would be negotiated over several years.

The former navy admiral says he feels pressure to get projects done on time, but adds it’s also important to listen to suppliers and make changes to the proposed project at the early stages.
source:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


EDIT
here's who's sailed to Canada lately:
Cr1WlCWWcAAoNi3.jpg


EDIT AGAIN
in the process found this cool picture of the Languedoc (D653):
D653-Languedoc-1-1024x683.jpg
 
Last edited:

JudgeKing

New Member
Registered Member
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


The Trudeau government is now ready to solicit bids from defence contractors interested in designing and equipping Canada's next generation of combat ships.

And it is demanding an extraordinary amount of detail and data from those companies, some of which have waited years for the program to get underway.

Even before the ink is dry on the proposal request, there are concerns among some bidders about how much Canadian content will end up in the new surface combat ships.

The federal cabinet has given the green light to release a long-anticipated request for proposals for an off-the-shelf warship design and combat systems.

Pre-qualified defence companies are expected to receive their packages on Thursday and the government is anticipated to follow up with a technical briefing to explain the details to the public.

The bidders have until April 27 to submit their plans to Irving Shipbuilding Inc., which was selected in 2015 as the prime contractor.

The Halifax-based company is the federal government's go-to yard for combat ships under the National Shipbuilding Strategy.

CBC News has obtained partial extracts of the draft request for proposal, which has been the subject of intense backroom debate among potential bidders.

The document — dated Oct. 9, 2016 — asks for an exceptional amount of detail and clearly displays the amount of control Irving is exercising over the bidders and potential subcontractors.

High stakes for taxpayers
The stakes for Canadian taxpayers are enormous and the Liberal government has wrestled, since coming to power a year ago, to get a handle on the project, expected to be the most expensive under the umbrella of the National Shipbuilding Strategy.

Internal estimates produced last year in the transition between the Conservative and Liberal governments suggest the construction cost for 15 warships could exceed $40 billion. In addition, another $60 billion — or more — could be added to the price tag when lifetime maintenance and staffing requirements going decades into the future are considered, as the auditor general has insisted.

Public Works Minister Judy Foote said last May the government won't release a cost estimate until there is a signed contract in the program, which is expected to be the largest procurement in Canadian history.

The cone of silence also extends to the draft request for proposals, which prohibits bidders and their subcontractors from talking to the media about the project, unless they receive written approval from Irving.

There's also an attempt to keep a lid on the cutthroat competition.

"Neither the bidders, nor any of their respective subcontractors, employees or representatives shall make any public comment, respond to questions in a public forum or carry out any activities to either criticize another bidder or any bid — or publicly advertise their qualifications," said the proposal, obtained by CBC News.

The navy is looking for a warship with the capability of hunting submarines, but also defending against enemy aircraft and missiles. It is expected to be swift enough to keep up with U.S. aircraft carrier battle groups and be armed with both a single 127-millimetre gun and surface-to-surface missiles of its own.

The new surface combatants will also carry up to 200 sailors and have the deck space available to allow for the conduct of humanitarian missions, such as the at-sea rescue of migrants.

The Liberals, like the Conservatives before them, have also not committed to building a specific number of warships, which are not expected to enter service until the mid-2020s.

Rather than designing a replacement for the navy's patrol frigates from scratch, the government chose last spring to go with a proven warship design from another country.

Expected bidders include:
  • Alion-JJMA Corp. (U.S.).
  • Lockheed Martin (U.S.).
  • BAE Systems Surface Ships Ltd. (Britain).
  • DCNS (France).
  • Fincantieri (Italy).
  • Navantia (Spain).
  • Odense Maritime Technology (Denmark).
  • ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (Germany).
Some are ship designers, while other build electronics.

Backroom battles
There have been numerous backroom brawls leading up to the release of the request for proposals, including concerns about how much high-end Canadian-made electronics — known as systems integration — will go into the new warships.

Sources, who are close to the file but only able to speak on background, tell CBC News that L-3 Communications Canada has written a letter, supported by some of the other bidders, warning the government no significant Canadian content — radar, sonar and communications — will end up in the surface combatants unless the foreign designers are forced to work with a company from this country.

The evaluation process, however, gives points to companies with higher Canadian content.

The request for proposals demands that each bidder supply an eye-watering amount of detail, including the number of "fasteners" that would be used to build each ship, including all anchors, bolts, nails, nuts, rivets and rods. The government also wants part numbers and descriptions about what tools will be used.

Some contractors see it as "an utterly incredible request," according to sources, who say "a lot of trees will die" in order to supply paper for the presentation. Some of the companies that bid on the air force's fixed-wing search and rescue plane program last January faced similar demands for detail, to the point where two bidders hired moving vans just to deliver their presentations to Public Works.

But officials working on the warship program insist — since it is an off-the-shelf design — each bidder should have all of that detailed information at their fingertips and it helps refine cost projections.

There has been a bruising fight over the federal government's demand that each contractor hand over intellectual property rights for all of the foreground and background data that goes into each design. An earlier draft of the plan said bidders would be disqualified if they failed to do so, but federal officials have agreed to a compromise.

The issue is of enormous importance because of the lucrative long-term maintenance contracts that will follow the construction.

If the government doesn't get the right deal, it could cost taxpayers untold hundreds of millions of dollars down the road in licensing fees, and might even restrict the military's ability to update and use its own equipment.
 
according to NavalToday Canada launches design competition for Canadian Surface Combatant fleet
The Canadian government has started one of the country’s largest and most complex procurement projects by announcing the start of a design competition for the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) fleet.

Irving Shipbuilding, the prime contractor for the project, released a Request for Proposal (RFP) for pre-qualified companies.

As it was announced earlier in the year, the future combatants will be based on an existing warship design which will result in an accelerated completion of the program.

The selected design team will work with the Canadian government and Irving Shipbuilding Inc. to design and construct the CSC ships.

According to the government, the design is expected to be selected by summer 2017.

“The Canadian Surface Combatant is the largest and most complex procurement project in recent history. This Request for Proposal was carefully developed in consultation with industry and highlights how our government is implementing innovative and proven procurement approaches to simplify the competitive process, increase job stability, and deliver the ships we need, sooner,” Canadian Minister of Public Services and Procurement Judy M. Foote said.

The Canadian Surface Combatant project will replace Canada’s aging Iroquois-class destroyers and Halifax-class frigates. Up to 15 ships are scheduled to be built after the Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ships are complete in the early 2020s.

The first CSC ship is anticipated to be delivered in the mid-2020s.
source:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
My tax dollars at work. Just hope they don't waste too much in the process
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
according to NavalToday Canada launches design competition for Canadian Surface Combatant fleet

source:
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Hopefully, the MoD procures some long-range strike weaponry to boot, which would be especially important if we are to stake a claim to the highly-contested Arctic regions. Something in the league of the LRASM, SCALP-Naval, Tomahawk Block IV, or Naval Strike Missile would be perfect for not only future combatants but also existing Halifax- and Iroquois-class frigates/destroyers.
 
Top