China's SCS Strategy Thread

PM of China and Vietnam meet in Ulaanbaatar

"阮春福表示，越中是同志加兄弟的关系，双方共同利益远大于分歧。此系越共十二大后两国总理首次会晤，对两国关系具有重要意义。越方将越中关系置于对外关系的头等优先地位，愿继续保持两国高层交往，推动各领域合作平衡健康发展，按照双方达成的共识，推动双边海上问题谈判机制取得进展，妥善管控分歧，为本地区和平稳定作出贡献。

在谈及南海问题时，李克强指出，关于所谓菲律宾南海仲裁案，中方不承认、不接受的立场是明确的。十多年前，中国同东盟国家达成《南海各方行为宣言》，确保 了南海地区多年的和平稳定。未来处理南海问题，还是要在尊重历史事实基础上，依据国际法和《宣言》的规定，由当事方通过双边对话谈判妥善解决。希望越方从中越关系大局出发，珍惜两国关系来之不易的发展势头，共同维护好南海地区的和平稳定。

阮春福表示，越方尊重中方关于菲律宾南海仲裁案的立场，主张通过对话协商妥善解决争端。"

Briefing:
1, VN takes relation with China as supreme priority of its diplomacy.
2, VN will continue biliteral negotiation based on current consensus with China.
3, VN respect China's stand to SCS arbitration, suppose the issue should be solved properly by negotiation.

After witness a navy exercise involved by more than 100 ships, Vietnam showed their sanity.

Phoenix_Rising said:

PM of China and Vietnam meet in Ulaanbaatar

"阮春福表示，越中是同志加兄弟的关系，双方共同利益远大于分歧。此系越共十二大后两国总理首次会晤，对两国关系具有重要意义。越方将越中关系置于对外关系的头等优先地位，愿继续保持两国高层交往，推动各领域合作平衡健康发展，按照双方达成的共识，推动双边海上问题谈判机制取得进展，妥善管控分歧，为本地区和平稳定作出贡献。

在谈及南海问题时，李克强指出，关于所谓菲律宾南海仲裁案，中方不承认、不接受的立场是明确的。十多年前，中国同东盟国家达成《南海各方行为宣言》，确保 了南海地区多年的和平稳定。未来处理南海问题，还是要在尊重历史事实基础上，依据国际法和《宣言》的规定，由当事方通过双边对话谈判妥善解决。希望越方从中越关系大局出发，珍惜两国关系来之不易的发展势头，共同维护好南海地区的和平稳定。

阮春福表示，越方尊重中方关于菲律宾南海仲裁案的立场，主张通过对话协商妥善解决争端。"

Briefing:
1, VN takes relation with China as supreme priority of its diplomacy.
2, VN will continue biliteral negotiation based on current consensus with China.
3, VN respect China's stand to SCS arbitration, suppose the issue should be solved properly by negotiation.

After witness a navy exercise involved by more than 100 ships, Vietnam showed their sanity.

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And does Vietnam's official sources actually affirm the Chinese version...?

Blackstone said:

And does Vietnam's official sources actually affirm the Chinese version...?

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hmmm, the clique confliction within Vietnam authority is quite complex, for example, VN ministry of diplomacy spokesman supported the arbitrarion after the result was shown.
So, even if the PM had said so, the final decision of VN is still not sure, not mention the excuting of policy.

But as for this news itself, it is credible, for both PM are attending Asia-Europe Meeting.

Phoenix_Rising said:

hmmm, the clique confliction within Vietnam authority is quite complex, for example, VN ministry of diplomacy spokesman supported the arbitrarion after the result was shown.
So, even if the PM had said so, the final decision of VN is still not sure, not mention the excuting of policy.

But as for this news itself, it is credible, for both PM are attending Asia-Europe Meeting.

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And did the official Vietnamese delegation affirmed the Chinese version? If not, then it's just China's opinion.

Blackstone said:

And did the official Vietnamese delegation affirmed the Chinese version? If not, then it's just China's opinion.

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Sry for I can't read Vietnamese, rly.
So for now, yes, it is only Chinese news.
However, I can't see any motivation Chinese media would fake a meeting between PMs to pretend VN supports China...
We all know that VN actually occupied most (29) of Nansha Islands, Beijing would never fantasy Hanoi would back up Chinese opinion

With the ruling of a dubious international tribunal somewhere in Hague in hand, the creator of the post-WII "liberal international order" (whatever that means) and guarantor of global peace and security now has a fresh "mandate" to play both "good cop" and "bad cop," at least, that's what the media portraits:

The good cop:

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The bad cop:

weig2000 said:

With the ruling of a dubious international tribunal somewhere in Hague in hand, the creator of the post-WII "liberal international order" (whatever that means) and guarantor of global peace and security now has a fresh "mandate" to play both "good cop" and "bad cop," at least, that's what the media portraits:

The good cop:

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The bad cop:

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There is a problem to these "good and bad cop", the bad guy they are terrifing carries more and larger guns...

Blackstone said:

And does Vietnam's official sources actually affirm the Chinese version...?

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and does UN's official sources actually affirm the "PCA " version..... ?

When dealing with China, it pays to listen to what it says.

Unfortunately, the west often fails to do just that, instead preferring to hear what they want to hear.

China has declare the SCS islands to be a core interest. It has said it is ready to defend its interests. Yet, Americans still seem to believe that China is somehow bluffing, much like how MacArthur believed China was bluffing about Korea.

Fortunately, the Philippines no longer seem to share such certainty. The Scarborough Shoal incident, where two unarmed Chinese civilian vessels faced down a PH warship, made them realize that it doesn't pay to be confrontational toward a giant neighbor. Oh, it didn't happen right away. It took years, with lots of bluster about how the Americans will support them in a fight. However, as time passed, and PH fishermen were chased out of the shoal, and American commitment to defend the disputed islands still lacking, they realized that a change in tact was necessary.

Indeed, unlike western politicians who are full of hot air and constantly saying what they don't mean, Chinese leaders and spokespeople carefully weigh and measure every key word they say.

That is why it takes so much longer for the Chinese state to come out with initial responses to breaking unexpected events compared to western gornments. But when China does speak, you really should listen.

China doesn't play poker like the west, they don't bluff. Unlike the west who draw lines in the stand without any thought as to whether they are hold that line, when China draws a line, the do so because they are willing and able to enforce that line, and it would be a grave mistake to cross such lines and expect no negative consequences.