China Warns U.S. Not to Sell Fighters To Taiwan

tphuang · Jul 25, 2006

FuManChu said:
Taiwan already has Block A/B jets. The reason it wants C/D block is for the increased capability. It would rather defeat the purpose of the order if it could only get more of what it has already. Also I can't see how numbers could be reduced to the point where Taiwan would still want them and Beijing would be happy.

Besides, Washington would have known China was going to object. It wouldn't have authorised the sale in the first place if it was concerned about what Beijing thought.

I actually asked about missiles on another board and someone said they were confident there would be more sold as part of the new order. Perhaps more info will be released in the future as to numbers and specific type.

It would rather depend on the terms of unification. It may well be that it's a "technical" unification to save face for Beijing, rather than anything huge changing in areas other than trade/immigration. In which case China wouldn't be able to have an inspection detailed enough to learn anything useful.

Well, since China and Taiwan are already technically one country. I don't really see how you can have a technical unification. If there is any kind of unification, it would be like the one with Hong Kong.

But really, let's wait and see the whole detail of the deal.

Deleted member 675 · Jul 25, 2006

tphuang said:
Well, since China and Taiwan are already technically one country. I don't really see how you can have a technical unification.

Well if the first part is true, then there can't be an unification/re-unification can there?

What I meant was, the situation would be that officially Beijing could say everyone was a big happy China, etc even if in reality it was just for show and the mainland had little or no authority in Taiwan.

If there is any kind of unification, it would be like the one with Hong Kong.

Well it would have to be different than HK - there's no way Beijing'll be able to appoint the Taiwanese President!

Anyway, as you said, there should be more info on this in the future.

tphuang · Jul 25, 2006

FuManChu said:
Well if the first part is true, then there can't be an unification/re-unification can there?

What I meant was, the situation would be that officially Beijing could say everyone was a big happy China, etc even if in reality it was just for show and the mainland had little or no authority in Taiwan.

Well it would have to be different than HK - there's no way Beijing'll be able to appoint the Taiwanese President!

Anyway, as you said, there should be more info on this in the future.

I don't think you have the whole picture. Let's see now:
1) China promotes to its people that China and Taiwan are the same country. Same as it did with Hong Kong before 97
2) China and everyone in China knows that Taiwan is ruled by someone else. Same as it did with Hong Kong before 97
3) All the major nations in the world recognizes China, but not Taiwan. Actually, other countries at least recognized Hong Kong.

And even though that was the case, it still took a unification to get China and Hong Kong to the position where Hong Kong represents itselfs at the Olympics and still gets treated as a separate body when national statistics are carried out.

But as we all know, there is a big difference now where CCP has power over Hong Kong. So, how would the word unification not apply?

Roger604 · Jul 25, 2006

I doubt some F-16 fighters to Taiwan will harm Beijing's interests that much. The problem is not that the US wants to sell. The problem is that Taiwan wants to buy.

Once MYJ becomes the president, those F-16s would be just as likely used against Japan over Diaoyudao.

MIGleader · Jul 25, 2006

It would rather depend on the terms of unification. It may well be that it's a "technical" unification to save face for Beijing, rather than anything huge changing in areas other than trade/immigration. In which case China wouldn't be able to have an inspection detailed enough to learn anything useful.

A "face saving" reunion? taiwans going to be the one which needs to save face if this happens. china has been waiting patiently for over 50 years for reunification, and isnt in a hurry to force one.

Deleted member 675 · Jul 25, 2006

Roger604 said:
Once MYJ becomes the president, those F-16s would be just as likely used against Japan over Diaoyudao.

Roger, that is never going to happen. Although it would be perfectly possible for Ma to spin on yet another of his policies, he has been saying friendship with Japan is very important for the future.

MIGleader said:
A "face saving" reunion? taiwans going to be the one which needs to save face if this happens. china has been waiting patiently for over 50 years for reunification, and isnt in a hurry to force one.

And Taiwan isn't in a hurry to unify either. It can wait as long as China for this matter to be resolved satisfactorily. Given that ultimately its people are going to have to agree to a change in the status quo, there isn't going to be any loss of face from that side of the Strait.

Whereas, of course, I'm sure Chinese people won't be balloted on any agreement. Unless of course the UNTHINKABLE happens and China becomes a democracy. :wink:

MIGleader · Jul 25, 2006

And Taiwan isn't in a hurry to unify either. It can wait as long as China for this matter to be resolved satisfactorily. Given that ultimately its people are going to have to agree to a change in the status quo, there isn't going to be any loss of face from that side of the Strait.

Whereas, of course, I'm sure Chinese people won't be balloted on any agreement. Unless of course the UNTHINKABLE happens and China becomes a democracy.

Frankly speaking, Taiwan is much more prone to changes in leadership and policy than China. All China has to do is wait for a more suitable leader to come along, such a MYJ, then make a move. I sure most taiwanese citizens dont really care where theyre weapons r going, its more of how they are treated.

Deleted member 675 · Jul 25, 2006

MIGleader said:
Frankly speaking, Taiwan is much more prone to changes in leadership and policy than China. All China has to do is wait for a more suitable leader to come along, such a MYJ, then make a move.

If you haven't noticed, Ma has said the precondition for unification is multi-party democracy on the mainland. That is not going to happen any time soon for very obvious reasons. No Taiwanese leader is going to act any differently.

I sure most taiwanese citizens dont really care where theyre weapons r going, its more of how they are treated.

If they want to maintain their own armed forces, then obviously they would care.

Roger604 · Jul 25, 2006

FuManChu said:
If you haven't noticed, Ma has said the precondition for unification is multi-party democracy on the mainland. That is not going to happen any time soon for very obvious reasons. No Taiwanese leader is going to act any differently.

You totally don't understand the point.

What's happening is a global movement where people of Chinese descent, whether it's in Hong Kong, or Taiwan, or USA or anywhere else are rallying behind the People's Republic of China because it is the rightful heir to the ancient Chinese cultural nation.

This was never about democracy, it's about the homeland for people of Chinese descent. This is why that visit by Lien to the Qin Shihuang tomb was so important symbolically. MYJ understands this, he knows deep down that the Chinese people must unite again. He knows that his name will go down in history if he unifies China.

tphuang · Jul 25, 2006

alright guys, I'm sorry to have brought up re-unification definition, but let's just rest the political stuff, okay? And get back to talking about this deal.

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