South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

confusion

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Laos is a landlock nation and Thailand has no conflict with the nine dash line so the only nation that actually has conflict is Brunei one of the smallest countries within the region next to Singapore with a smaller population and virtually no military.
As for Philippines Presidential candidate Rodrigo Duterte, looks as if he has a lot half hidden in his closet.

The other nations in Southeast Asia are just pursuing what's in their own best interests. By not taking sides, they've maximized their own strategic options, and then good things like this happen for these countries:
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Thailand's Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha meets with Japan's Minister of Foreign Affairs Fumio Kishida at the Government House in Bangkok

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Japan wants to work with countries in the lower Mekong river basin and will help them improve infrastructure and bolster development with 750 billion yen ($7 billion) in aid over three years, its foreign minister said on Monday.

Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida made the pledge to help the Southeast Asian economies in Thailand's capital, Bangkok, where on Sunday he began a week-long visit to the region in which Japan competes with China for influence.

"Japan would like to work with the countries of the Mekong region to create a framework to support efforts by the Mekong countries in a detailed manner, on a region-by-region basis or on a theme-by-theme basis," Kishida said in a speech.

Japan announced the three-year plan last year.

China has offered billions of dollars in infrastructure loans and government aid programs to Southeast Asian countries.

Kishida did not mention China in his speech. He is also due to visit Myanmar, Laos and Vietnam.

On Monday, he met Thai Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha, who has led a military government since the army took power in a May 2014 coup. Thailand has drawn closer to China since the coup which many western countries criticized.

Kishida and Prayuth discussed Thailand's political process, regional terrorism threats and economic challenges, a Japanese official said.

Kishida visited Beijing on the weekend where both China and Japan expressed willingness to improve relations strained over conflicting territorial claims in the East China Sea.

In his speech in Bangkok, Kishida addressed maritime security and renewed a call for countries to respect the rule of law.

He also backed a Southeast Asian bid to draft a code of conduct for the South China Sea, where China's claim to virtually the entire sea clashes with claims to parts of it by Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia and the Philippines.

"We must establish a regional order whereby the principle of the rule of law is truly upheld and practiced," he said. "I would like to renew my call for the early conclusion of an effective Code of Conduct in the South China Sea."

Japanese Prime Minister Shinto Abe is pursuing a more robust foreign policy but Masato Otaka, deputy press secretary at Japan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, told reporters Kishida's visit was not aimed at counteracting China's influence.

On Sunday, Kishida reaffirmed Japan's economic ties with Thailand, an important base for many Japanese companies, after Japanese investment in the country nosedived in 2015.

The non-disputant ASEAN nations are in a nice spot, with both China and Japan competing to outdo each other in exchange for diplomatic support. In the end, that means more money for infrastructure projects in these nations.

Contrast that with the Philippines. Their strategic options are currently limited. China isn't investing in building Filipino infrastructure, the US doesn't have the money or interest, and Japan isn't forced to up its game here.

You might criticize Duterte for various things, but he has the right idea. It's not that he necessarily wants to cozy up to China, it's because no one else, including its allies the US and Japan, is willing to put in money in the Philippines to develop its infrastructure.

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Rodrigo Duterte, the tough-talking Davao City mayor who is leading Philippine presidential polls, said he will hold bilateral talks with China to resolve a territorial dispute in the South China Sea if the current multilateral discussions don't bear fruit within two years.

Duterte told supporters Sunday night on Liwasang Bonifacio square in Manila City that he will defend Philippine claims in the contested waters while remaining open to the possibility of joint exploration for energy assets with China. He may also ask China to help build key railway projects connecting Manila to provinces and for assistance with a long-standing plan for a train system in Mindanao, his home region.

"If negotiations will be in still waters in 1 or 2 years, I will talk to the Chinese," Duterte, 71, told a crowd of about a thousand people.

Bilateral talks would mark a departure from the policy of outgoing President Benigno Aquino, who has brought China before an international arbitration panel to try to resolve the dispute, leading to a deterioration in bilateral ties. China has been more aggressively asserting its claims to more than 80 percent of the waterway in recent years, reclaiming more than 3,000 acres of land to build out artificial islands that will better allow it to project force in waters that are a rich fishing ground for the Philippines.

Duterte has said he will tout the Philippines' alliance with Western powers such as the United States to get China to accept the Philippine position. He also said he would ride a jet ski to a disputed island occupied by China and personally stake the Philippines' claims.
 

confusion

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This is the candidate who will most likely be a continuation of the current administration, and it makes sense that he's earned this endorsement - the endorsers are correct: if maintaining a strong stand on the SCS issue is of primary importance to the Filipinos, then they should be voting for this guy:
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29 Apr 2016
(Press Release)
— On April 9, 2016, the officers of the National Youth Movement for the West Philippine Sea officers in the Philippines and globally met and unanimously voted to adopt the resolution to support the Roxas-Robredo tandem for the May 9, 2016 Philippine elections, says Dr. Celia Lamkin, founder and global chairperson of the National Youth Movement of the West Philippine Sea and chairperson of the U.S. Pinoys for Good Governance in the CNMI, Guam, Hawaii and American Samoa.

The resolution states that the officers and members of the National Youth Movement for the West Philippine Sea are committed to uphold the territorial integrity of the Philippines with the following goals and objectives.

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1. To assert our government’s position of preserving sovereignty and territorial integrity over territory which has vast oil and marine resources in the West Philippine Sea which is within the 200 mile Exclusive Economic Zone of the Philippines as defined by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

2. To instill the values of patriotism to the Filipino youth as well as to rekindle their national spirit.

3. To effectively educate the youth on current West Philippine Sea issues vis-a-vis China and raise awareness of their importance to our nation’s present and future interest.

4. To enable our youth to participate in activities that protect our important interests in the in the West Philippine Sea including securing the safety and livelihood of our citizens who fish and/or reside within our 200 mile Exclusive Economic Zone in the West Philippine Sea such as those in Pag-Asa Island and other Kalayaan Group of Islands, Palawan and the Scarborough Shoal or Bajo de Masinloc.

Lamkin said the National Youth Movement for the West Philippine Sea which has 20 chapters in the Philippines, U.S., Asia, the U.K., the rest of Europe, Canada, Middle East, Africa, American Samoa, CNMI and Guam.

She said they are a non- partisan movement and it serves the nation’s interests to have as the next Ppesident of the Philippines one who will continue to have a strong stand for our West Philippine Sea position and continue with the arbitration case filed by the Philippines against China, allying the Philippines with other nations against China’s bullying tactics, informing the world of China’s illegal intrusion into Philippine territory and massive destruction of huge areas of pristine marine environment.

The movement endorsed former Interior and Local Government Secretary Mar Roxas and Congresswoman Leni Robredo because they are the best candidates to be the next president and vice president of the Philippines regarding their strong stand for the West Philippine Sea issues and have proven integrity, competence and experienced leadership.

The National Youth Movement for the West Philippine Sea is urging other Filipino citizens to vote for Roxas and Robredo, Lamkin said.
 

Equation

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This is the candidate who will most likely be a continuation of the current administration, and it makes sense that he's earned this endorsement - the endorsers are correct: if maintaining a strong stand on the SCS issue is of primary importance to the Filipinos, then they should be voting for this guy:

And yet NOTHING about how to deal with the Filipinos Rebels down south or the Abu Sayef terrorist groups? Oh yeah let American tax dollars deal with that. Interesting indeed.o_O
 

SamuraiBlue

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Contrast that with the Philippines. Their strategic options are currently limited. China isn't investing in building Filipino infrastructure, the US doesn't have the money or interest, and Japan isn't forced to up its game here.

You might criticize Duterte for various things, but he has the right idea. It's not that he necessarily wants to cozy up to China, it's because no one else, including its allies the US and Japan, is willing to put in money in the Philippines to develop its infrastructure.

And yet Japan does try to do in Philippines best interest.
Japan agrees to lease military aircraft to Philippines

TOKYO, Japan — Japan will lease military aircraft to the Philippines in another sign of deepening security ties between the two former foes to counter Beijing’s increasing regional influence.

The agreement was made Monday afternoon during telephone talks between Japan’s Defense Minister Gen Nakatani and his Philippine counterpart Voltaire Gazmin, the ministry said.


Tensions in the South China Sea — through which one third of the world’s oil passes — have mounted in recent years since China transformed contested reefs into artificial islands capable of supporting military facilities.... to read more
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Interesting related article.

China warns PH, Japan on plane deal

China expressed alarm on Thursday about an agreement in which the Philippines will lease five aircraft from Japan to help patrol the disputed South China Sea.

President Aquino had said the five TC-90
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aircraft would help the Philippine Navy conduct surveillance flights over the country’s territory that is being claimed by China.

“If the Philippines’ actions are to challenge China’s sovereignty and security interests, China is resolutely opposed,” foreign ministry spokesperson Hong Lei told a news briefing, as reported by Reuters.


“I also want to point out that Japan is not a party to the South China Sea issue and we are on high guard against its moves. We demand that Japan speak and act cautiously and not do anything to harm regional peace and stability,” Hong said.

The Philippines has made modernization of its air and naval forces a priority as China has built islands and deployed missiles and jet fighters on a number of reefs in the South China Sea, in the area Filipinos call the West Philippine Sea and within its
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zone.

China claims almost the entire South China Sea, citing its ancient nine-dash-line, but Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam also have claims to parts of the sea....... to read more
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joshuatree

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Laos is a landlock nation and Thailand has no conflict with the nine dash line so the only nation that actually has conflict is Brunei one of the smallest countries within the region next to Singapore with a smaller population and virtually no military.
As for Philippines Presidential candidate Rodrigo Duterte, looks as if he has a lot half hidden in his closet.
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Even more reason why for ASEAN members such as Thailand and Laos to agree it's a bilateral issue.

And if Brunei sees more benefit from bilateral negotiations as a direct claimant, it's their choice.

It's a straw man argument articles make that bilateral negotiations are bad and evil. The criticism that in bilateral negotiations, China has never budged on any of their claims, is just half the equation. I don't recall in any bilateral negotiations attempted in the past where the other claimants has ever budged on their claims either. When either the Philippines or Vietnam makes statements about their claims in the SCS, they all do the same, "we have indisputable sovereignty..". Same stance.
 

kwaigonegin

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And yet Japan does try to do in Philippines best interest.

Interesting related article.

I'm partial to Japan personally however I think it's a bit disingenous if not naive to assume Japan's move was done solely out of the goodness of their hearts for the Phillippines. While it certainly helps the Phillipines tactically (in the short term) it also benefits Japan as well to have another country countering China's military influence from the East and south in SCS.

The Philippines is actually in a bad spot IMHO. One on hand they are deep allies of the US etc however they are located in an area where China is/will no doubt be the most influential player. They need to restrategize their entire foreign policy to be 'friends' or at least semi amicable partner with China.

It is certainly NOT in their best interest to have an antagonistic relationship with China due to geography. At the very least their economy would probably benefit significantly. The world has change a LOT since WWII. While it is noble and good to know that many Filipinos have deep reverance for our sacrifices made and American blood shed to secure their freedom, it was also 70 yrs ago.

To stress that point about the world changing, the irony isn't lost in this particular case with Japan supplying planes to Philippines to counter China LOL). You can be eternally grateful to someone else while still forging a path to a good future for yourselves. They are certainly not mutually exclusive.

Singapore and a few other countries have successfully done so. They are loyal allies of the US however they have also managed to also find a way to be at least friendly 'acquintances' with China and cultivate that path.
 

solarz

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I'm partial to Japan personally however I think it's a bit disingenous if not naive to assume Japan's move was done solely out of the goodness of their hearts for the Phillippines. While it certainly helps the Phillipines tactically (in the short term) it also benefits Japan as well to have another country countering China's military influence from the East and south in SCS.

The Philippines is actually in a bad spot IMHO. One on hand they are deep allies of the US etc however they are located in an area where China is/will no doubt be the most influential player. They need to restrategize their entire foreign policy to be 'friends' or at least semi amicable partner with China.

It is certainly NOT in their best interest to have an antagonistic relationship with China due to geography. At the very least their economy would probably benefit significantly. The world has change a LOT since WWII. While it is noble and good to know that many Filipinos have deep reverance for our sacrifices made and American blood shed to secure their freedom, it was also 70 yrs ago.

To stress that point about the world changing, the irony isn't lost in this particular case with Japan supplying planes to Philippines to counter China LOL). You can be eternally grateful to someone else while still forging a path to a good future for yourselves. They are certainly not mutually exclusive.

Singapore and a few other countries have successfully done so. They are loyal allies of the US however they have also managed to also find a way to be at least friendly 'acquintances' with China and cultivate that path.

The problem is that the PH government is extremely corrupt, and their leadership has no motivation to act in the best interests of the nation, as opposed to their own interests. Antagnoizing China may not be in the best interests of the PH nation, but it certainly seems to be good for Aquino and his cohorts, in the form of US cash.
 

advill

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It is for the benefit of all parties that the countries concerned will "sit down" and discuss all problematic issues related to the South China Sea. That will be the best recourse for the region, as the alternative will be serious hostilities where no one wins. As we face deepening economic/trade crisis in the region, leaders should look at overcoming these serious problems for the benefit of their countries and people. The alternative can be disastrous.
 
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