094 Confirmed???

crobato

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Sea Dog,

It was Bill Goetz [a Yellow Threat alarmist] of the Washington Times that broke news that the 093 has been in trials, with at least two subs since 03. I think his sources might be from ONI. If anyone could hear or detect the subs, it should be the USN.

Much of the major noise about the 093 and 094 is coming from the DoD, not the Chinese internet, given the mention these subs have on the PLA white papers. While the 093 might be in water I don't think the 094 had been put into water circa 2005, but I don't know as for this year.
 

Tassadar

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First of all since I am new here I want to say hello to every one. Also, it seems that the news that 094 has be deployed is fake. Please refer to the following news:

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关于“中国核反击能力”报道的调查

  6月30日,本报编辑在香港一家媒体上看到了一条值得关注的消息:中国军力已具二次核反击能力。这篇报道说:“中国新一代核潜艇和潜射战略导弹技术一直受到西方的关注。据德国《国际海军》报道,中国最近已经完成093、094型核潜艇的部署以及训练。有分析认为,中国094核潜艇可配备16枚射程1万多公里的‘巨浪’二型潜射弹道导弹,如果每枚导弹仅装备最低数量的3个弹头,1艘‘094’核潜艇就能同时打击48个目标,这将使中国真正具备了二次核反击能力。”

  本报编辑的第一反应是,这条新闻很有价值。就在几个月前,美国《外交》杂志刊登两位学者的文章称:半个世纪以来核大国之间“相互确保摧毁”的平衡已经被打破,美国取得了可以一次性摧毁俄罗斯和中国等国核力量的绝对优势。文章发表后,在世界范围内产生了很大反响,俄罗斯与中国的二次核打击能力备受关注。本报驻美记者还就此采访了这两位学者。

  本报编辑立即与本报驻德国记者取得了联系,他的第一反应也是很重视,表示要找到德国《国际海军》杂志,看他们对于中国二次核打击能力到底是怎么报道的。不过他有点怀疑地说:“这么重大的新闻我怎么没听说呢?”

  随后,编辑上网查询有关中国二次核打击的英文媒体反应,却一无所获,最近外国媒体没有任何有关中国核潜艇完成部署和训练的新闻报道。编辑心中的疑云渐渐升起:为什么这么重要的消息它们都不报呢?编辑决定在网上查询有关德国《国际海军》这本杂志的情况,却发现中文网上只在说那条消息时才有这本杂志的名称,更糟糕的是,在今年1月份某个论坛的帖子上,出现了这条消息,写的也是德国《国际海军》报道,中国大陆日前已经完成093、094潜艇的部署及训练。难道香港那家媒体是在炒网上已经炒过的冷饭?

  编辑又联系了驻德记者,并把相关情况告诉他。驻德记者说,他刚才在德文网上也没发现相关材料,决定第二天上图书馆去查找一下到底有没有这个杂志。7月1日,驻德记者反馈说,他在图书馆费了一天的工夫,没有找到任何有关《国际海军》杂志的信息,他还询问了几位军事专家,都没听说过这本杂志。7月 2日,驻德记者向德国军方核实,对方也说没听说过《国际海军》这本杂志。

  4日,本报记者打电话到那家香港媒体,想得到有关《国际海军》的相关信息。对方说,他们手头没有这篇稿子,不知道是谁写的以及当时是怎么回事,并说如果要了解情况还得查稿子,然后就匆匆挂了电话。

  就在本报被这条新闻困扰的时候,国内平面媒体已经开始引用香港的那篇报道,有的媒体甚至给《国际海军》冠上了“德国权威军事杂志”的头衔,这些平面媒体的报道再次被国内网络大量转载。当5日编辑再次在网络上输入“德国《国际海军》”这一关键词进行查找时,符合条件的链接已经比6天前初次进行相关查询时多了数十倍,不过杂志名称的后面仍然千篇一律地跟着“093、094核潜艇最近完成部署和训练”。


Basicly it states that the "German magazine" doesn't exist or is not worth believing. While I was excited about the news that 094 has been operational, it seems to me that at least the source of the news is not trustworthy.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
it seems some TAiwan military analyst/ writer doent rate the 094/ thinks it no better than 1960s US technology and no proven threat

PRC's new 'Type 094' submarine has no bite
By Cheng Ta-cheng 鄭大誠

Saturday, Jul 15, 2006,Page 8

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Recent reports indicate that China's Type 094 Jin-class nuclear-powered guided ballistic missile submarine is already in service. Some of the media haven't been able to avoid buying into the hype surrounding its production, calling it "the complete equal of the American Ohio-class nuclear submarine."

The 094's construction process has been shrouded in mystery, even to the extent that authorities have cordoned off a restricted area extending several kilometers around the construction facilities on China's Hulu Island, strictly prohibiting outsiders from approaching or entering.

Despite the secrecy, sources have said that all of the 094's capabilities are more advanced than those of its predecessor (the Type 092 Xia-class), and that the Julang 2 long-range submarine-launched ballistic missile that it is capable of launching constitutes a more advanced and credible global nuclear deterrent.

However, when viewed from a comparative standpoint, it becomes clear that aside from their nuclear reactors, the next-generation nuclear weaponry that China has assembled (especially its missiles) has only reached the level of US technology from the 1960s, and it certainly cannot be compared to the Ohio-class submarines and Trident II D5 submarine-launched missiles currently deployed by the US Navy.

`The next generation nuclear weaponry that China has assembled has only reached the level of US technology from the 1960s.'

Furthermore, although its Julang 2 missiles are capable of reaching targets 8,000km away, there are doubts as to whether or not the Type 094 is capable of breaching another nation's anti-submarine blockade in particular that of the US seventh fleet.

The Chinese navy has not deployed an effective early warning system, or the necessary computer hardware and software to link communications between satellites and submarines. As a result, there is still some skepticism as to whether the Type 094 would be effective in combat.

In addition to these shortcomings, China currently docks its submarines in the open, making it difficult to prevent direct detection by other countries' radar and optical satellites. Although China may later construct large-scale submarine hangars to keep them from being spotted, the "Hyperspectrum Surveillance System" currently under research in the US will have the capability to find the subs through indirect means.

By observing changes in temperature and small gas emissions surrounding the hangar, the system can deduce whether or not there is a submarine inside. Less clear is whether or not China will be able to construct a number of self-guided decoy subs to trick enemies into thinking that there are subs in ports and surrounding waters when there are not. The cost to construct one basic Type 094 decoy submarine is several millions of dollars, and making it self-guided will increase the price.

Whether or not the Chinese navy gets the necessary funding to produce enough decoy subs to confuse its enemies will depend on how committed Beijing is to the program.

Cheng Ta-chen is an independent defense analyst.

Translated by Marc Langer
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maozedong

Banned Idiot
:confused: those people in the picture looks like chinese,I believe.but dosn't means they are in 094.
they might be in "XIA" sub inside, I think the picture is no more secret value then released by the garverment.
authority sauces claimed that 094 can carrer 18 JL-2, not only 16.
 
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