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The Navy keeps sidelining its best surface ships. Here's why
The Navy is forging ahead with sidelining its newest cruisers, announcing Thursday that the cruiser Chosin is shifting home ports from Hawaii to San Diego ahead of its induction into a modernization program.

Chosin will depart Friday from its 25-year home in Pearl Harbor for the Golden State. The ship will be considered on deployment until July 1 when control of the boat will shift from Naval Surface Force Pacific to Naval Sea Systems Command, which oversees the construction and maintenance of the fleet, according to a SURFPAC release.

Once NAVSEA takes control, the ship will slim down from a 325-person crew led by a captain to a 45-person crew led by a lieutenant commander.

The Mayport, Florida,-based cruiser Vicksburg is also slated to go into layup this year. The Vicksburg and Chosin join their sister ships Cowpens and Gettysburg, which went into the so-called “phased modernization” program in 2015.

By law, the Chosin must be back in the fleet by 2021. The plan for the cruiser layups, as mandated by congress, is known as "2-4-6." It calls for two ships at a time to be sidelined for no longer than four years and that no more than six ships will be in this inactive status at one time.

While Chosin is laid up, the slimmed down crews will be used for a variety tasks, SURFPAC head Vice Adm. Thomas Rowden told Navy Times in a September interview.

“Those individuals can be used in a number of ways, planning for the next portion of the phased modernization," Rowden said. “Also pursuing their qualifications, and the opportunity to get additional [Navy enlisted classifications] based on that they are working at the regional maintenance centers. They'll also be training and, because they are at the RMCs, they'll be fixing ships.”

Chosin’s crew will be composed primarily from engineering and combat systems ratings, second class petty officers and up. But the crew also comprises operations specialists, yeomen and boatswain's mates.

While the Navy moves ahead with the 2-4-6 plan, it’s doubling down on its initial plan to lay up half of its 22 cruisers, bringing one fully modernized cruiser into the fleet for each cruiser it decommissions.

Officials say that doing it that way means the Navy can keep the cruisers, the Navy’s primary air-defense platform, in the fleet into the 2040s. It also gives the Navy some time and space to figure out a replacement for the service’s premier surface combatant.

But lawmakers, including Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Virginia, have been skeptical of the plan because of the Navy’s recent efforts to prematurely retire the cruisers to save saving money. Forbes signaled his concern to see the Navy put forward the full plan, which lawmakers have blocked for two years.

“I am particularly bothered that it seems that the Navy is being forced once again to lay up half its cruisers, breaking faith with Congress and depriving the fleet of air and missile defense capacity that is going to be in more demand than ever,” Forbes said in a February statement to Navy Times.
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Mar 2, 2016
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Hypersonics could help Air Force thwart enemy anti-air defenses

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Extreme speed is once again becoming a prized quality at the Pentagon after a two decade long hiatus following the retirement of the
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. Now Lockheed says it can build 3,800 MPH proof-of-concept jet in just a couple of years time, an aircraft that could lead to an fully operational “SR-72.”
Amazing as that sounds, does the Air Force even need such an aircraft at all?

Lockheed says it sees these so-called hypersonic weapons, a term that refers to speeds above Mach 5, as a very lucrative business space to invest in when it comes to supplying the U.S. with future air combat capabilities. During Lockheed’s annual media day,
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“Lockheed Martin has a legacy of making fast aircraft. We are now producing a controllable, low-drag, aerodynamic configuration capable of stable operations from takeoff to subsonic, transonic, supersonic and hypersonic, to Mach 6.”

This is a strong statement. She admits not only that the company is producing technologies such as thermal protection, avionics and aerodynamic shapes for a hypersonic aircraft, but seemingly also that they’re working on an actual aircraft design that would combine these technologies into a functioning hypersonic airplane.

A Very Fast Mountain To Climb
The big stumbling block for hypersonic flight is that it is very hard to optimize an aircraft to fly at such extremely high-speeds and be able to takeoff and land from conventional runways. Parasite-type configurations, where the hypersonic vehicle is lifted to altitude by a larger mothership and then launched on its mission, are one answer, but these concepts have big design limitations and they’re extremely complex and expensive.

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stepped out a few years ago, seemingly out of nowhere, and showed off its SR-72 concept for a hypersonic plane that could theoretically operate from runways without the need of a launch aircraft or booster of any type.

It would achieve such a capability through a “combined cycle” engine concept. This engine system would presumably get around the traditional limitations of individual turbojets, ramjets and scramjets which can only really work over their own specific velocity ranges. Obviously, installing three types of engines in an aircraft that is supposed to be super high-performance is not an option.

Lockheed’s hybrid combined cycle propulsion concept aims at solving this issue by using a turbine engine at low-speeds and a scramjet at high-speeds, with both sharing a common inlet and nozzle design while keeping their airflow paths separated.

Lockheed now wants to test their combined cycle engine, and all the other crazy technologies they have developed to operate a real aircraft at sustained hypersonic speeds, in the form of a flying technology demonstrator. On that, Hewson said:

“Most importantly, we’re proving a hypersonic aircraft can be produced at an affordable price. We estimate it will cost less than $1 billion to develop, build and fly a demonstrator aircraft the size of an F-22.”

Lockheed
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, so we are not talking about a long-term development program here. In fact, the the stated timeline is so ambitious that it wouldn’t be surprising if the project was already underway in classified form.

Reconnaissance Has Changed
Even if Lockheed can build such an aircraft, does the Pentagon actually need such a weapon system? An SR-72-like aircraft would be unmanned and would have both a reconnaissance and rapid global strike role, but there are at least partial and possibly much cheaper alternatives to building a high-flying “silver-bullet” extreme performance jet.

The thing is, a super-high speed aircraft to replace the SR-71 has been sort of the aerospace-defense world’s white whale. Some very high-profile and respected journalists were seemingly obsessed with the potential existence of such a craft throughout the 1980s and 1990s, greatly enhancing the mythology of a possible “Aurora” spy jet.

It seems that so many have desperately wanted there to be a replacement for the SR-71 Blackbird, something even higher flying and faster than its predecessor, regardless of if there was ever even a real demand for one. In the end there has been no concrete evidence to support the existence of such a machine, and especially not a fleet of them in an operational form.

There are plenty of good reasons that a Blackbird successor never happened. The fact that satellites could provide the SR-71's “moment in time”
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was big factor. Air defenses have also come a long way as computer and sensor technology has advanced.

Yet maybe the biggest reason was that persistent, penetrating reconnaissance has been all the rage over the last few decades—not ultra-fast spy planes.

The SR-71 was limited to taking a snapshot in time, very similar to that of reconnaissance satellite. Its main advantage is that it could show up unannounced and be gone very quickly while satellites are much more predictable due to the confines of their orbits. Aided by stealth technology, slow but largely invisible to radar persistent reconnaissance aircraft could survey the enemy over long periods of time, without them ever knowing they were being watched. Even more important, they could do so deep in enemy airspace, not along their borders.

Think of it as the difference between taking a photo of an birthday party in a park from 200 feet away with a long camera lens, and shooting hours of video of that same event while mingling among the crowd. Obviously the latter tells a much more complete story of the party. The video camera also allows the shooter to record audio of the event. Similarly, with persistent reconnaissance capable of penetrating enemy airspace you can bank all types of radio emissions and even atmospheric samples over time.

If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a video is worth a million.

This reconnaissance revolution really began with Northrop’s
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, otherwise known as Tacit Blue. or more lovingly, the Whale. Its stealth design, hard to detect sensors, and data link technologies proved that a surveillance asset could survive and spy for long periods of time even while operating deep over enemy territory.

Eventually, this concept would evolve into the stunted RQ-3 Darkstar. Yet that program eventually would give birth
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The RQ-170 has kept tabs on Iran’s nuclear program and helped hunt down Osama Bin Laden. It has also likely spied on other nuclear programs, such as North Korea’s, and friendlier ones too, such as Pakistan’s.

Although the bat-wing and stealthy RQ-170 looks cool, it is a downright humble machine compared to something like hypersonic spy plane. It is slow, small, doesn’t break altitude records and likely doesn’t even represent anything near the top end of American aerospace and weapons systems ingenuity. But it does what the Blackbird or its potential successor cannot, be the most obsessive of voyeurs, lurking and watching for hours on end in places it shouldn’t be.

The RQ-170 is just one program that has advanced the penetrating persistence reconnaissance concept, there are certainly others, and they are probably much more advanced than the RQ-170 ever will be.

The shadowy high-altitude, long-endurance penetrator
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, a Northrop product that has been all but admitted to existing by the USAF, likely takes the persistent penetrating surveillance aircraft concept to a much higher level, both figuratively and literally.

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Exclusive: First Image of the Lockheed Martin LRASM Top Side Launcher
Lockheed Martin supplied Navy Recognition with the first image showing a deck-mounted quadruple Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) launcher. According to our source, this "top side" launcher graphic is a notional concept that could be used on an appropriately sized surface vessel, such as the Arleigh Burke class (DDG 51) or Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) classes.
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Actually you have a use for this, it's called a launch vehicle in which if it can launch something upward at Mach 6 then you can probably hit a ballistic missile at much lower cost and accuracy then THAAD, SM-3 or a anti ballistic ballistic missiles that is stationed in Alaska. What are the called anyways?
 
Actually you have a use for this, it's called a launch vehicle in which if it can launch something upward at Mach 6 then you can probably hit a ballistic missile at much lower cost and accuracy then THAAD, SM-3 or a anti ballistic ballistic missiles that is stationed in Alaska. What are the called anyways?
would you please elaborate on what you're suggesting?
 

SamuraiBlue

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All anti ballistic missiles are multistage rockets since it requires both velocity and range. With a launch vehicle where an ABM is launched from this vehicle then you have a lower cost missiles. Of course there are a lot of technical difficulties that must be over come such as how are you going to strap a missile on a vehicle that is flying at mach 6 and how are you going to launch it ?
 
All anti ballistic missiles are multistage rockets since it requires both velocity and range. With a launch vehicle where an ABM is launched from this vehicle then you have a lower cost missiles. Of course there are a lot of technical difficulties that must be over come such as how are you going to strap a missile on a vehicle that is flying at mach 6 and how are you going to launch it ?
so were you perhaps referring to
Parasite-type configurations, where the hypersonic vehicle is lifted to altitude by a larger mothership and then launched on its mission ...
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I think Samurai Blue is not talking about using a B-52 to launch a hypersonic jet at altitude, but to use a hypersonic aircraft that can take off by itself to launch ballistic missile interceptors at high speed & altitude. Thereby reducing the cost of those interceptors as they could do away with multi-stage boosters.
I, however, don't think that calculation works. The resources needed to develop, built & maintain such a hypersonic "arsenal jet" will be so vast, they tremendously outweigh the potential savings in boosters.
I would rather suggest a flying wing or blended wing body design that is high subsonic or just supersonic with good loiter time carrying a bunch of upper stage only interceptors. At 40.000+ feet you have already overcome a lot of gravity and especially air density so that it will be rather easy for a missile to accelerate to Mach 5+.
 
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