As soon as the final bow piece is installed, we can 100% confirm its a jumpy or flatty carrier
Cant wait for that!
Wasnt it established that this is a upgraded version of liaoning?
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Wasnt it established that this is a upgraded version of liaoning?
Can you be sure?
There isnt any proof it is except the hangar and the elevators.
It can still be a catted carrier rather being a jump.
Still yes it can be seen as an upgraded version haha
There isnt any proof it is except the hangar and the elevators.
It can still be a catted carrier rather being a jump.
Still yes it can be seen as an upgraded version haha
I believe it is evident that this is 001A, the PLAN's indigenous version of the Liaoning, and probably improved in several areas.
But still a STOBAR Carrier.
I do not believe it will launch this year. The bow and stern are not complete. The flight deck has not even started, and the island is not landed yet.
In addition, once all of those things are done, there is a HUGE amount of internal building, wiring, and work that is normally completed before launch.
I see no compelling reason why the Chinese would, in essence, pull an India, and launch it prematurely.
The Indians were so far behind with the Vikrant that they launched it early and made a big whoopla out of a vessel that they wanted in the water for political reasons. So they launched a hull that did not have an island or a complete flight deck in August 2013, and then almost two years later finally actually launched the completed vessel ready for outfitting in June 2015.
China and the PLAN have no reason to do this. They are already making outstanding progress in building this ship. I expect that the soonest it could actually be launched would be in 2017.
Either way...they will have to do all the internal work, and then all of the outfitting to get it ready for trials.
But still a STOBAR Carrier.
I do not believe it will launch this year. The bow and stern are not complete. The flight deck has not even started, and the island is not landed yet.
In addition, once all of those things are done, there is a HUGE amount of internal building, wiring, and work that is normally completed before launch.
I see no compelling reason why the Chinese would, in essence, pull an India, and launch it prematurely.
The Indians were so far behind with the Vikrant that they launched it early and made a big whoopla out of a vessel that they wanted in the water for political reasons. So they launched a hull that did not have an island or a complete flight deck in August 2013, and then almost two years later finally actually launched the completed vessel ready for outfitting in June 2015.
China and the PLAN have no reason to do this. They are already making outstanding progress in building this ship. I expect that the soonest it could actually be launched would be in 2017.
Either way...they will have to do all the internal work, and then all of the outfitting to get it ready for trials.
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It is possible the bow ramp would be fitted like a hat over an inner bow structure much like the newly installed ramp on the former admiral Gorshkov.
We can observe the bow as it is built up. If it turns out the bow ramp is a fitting as on the former Gorshkov, rather than integral part of the structure like on the Kuznetsov, then we know this carrier is meant to lose the ramp at a later date, possibly when catapults are ready.
We can observe the bow as it is built up. If it turns out the bow ramp is a fitting as on the former Gorshkov, rather than integral part of the structure like on the Kuznetsov, then we know this carrier is meant to lose the ramp at a later date, possibly when catapults are ready.
IMHO, it is very highly unlikely that it will lose the ski-jump in any case. If they plan for cats ultimately, we will see it in the building of the deck just below the flight deck and on the flight deck. I do not think we will.
The Ski-Jump on the Vikramaditya has no plans of coming off.
I expect the same will hold true for 001A. But time will tell.
plawolf
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I think it would make a lot of sense to design the ship with removable ski jump.
The concept and implementation are already well established, and would not be hard to work into the design, but would effectively help to future proof the ship so that cats could be retrofitted during MLU to allow it to make full use of future developments.
Similarly, I think it would make a lot of sense for them to add cat channels, even if those are unused initially. The flip side is we probably need to remember the possibility and not get over excited if we spot channels on the flight deck.
These ships should last 40-50 years, so it would be best to design them to still be useful and relevant that long down the line.
The concept and implementation are already well established, and would not be hard to work into the design, but would effectively help to future proof the ship so that cats could be retrofitted during MLU to allow it to make full use of future developments.
Similarly, I think it would make a lot of sense for them to add cat channels, even if those are unused initially. The flip side is we probably need to remember the possibility and not get over excited if we spot channels on the flight deck.
These ships should last 40-50 years, so it would be best to design them to still be useful and relevant that long down the line.
Intrepid
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I think, it would be enough, that the structure is designed to carry catapults.
A look at flight ops on the Liaoning. There is a shot of taking off in rough seas (1:35) but not landing. I see air-air missiles loaded but I don't recall seeing a takeoff loaded with bombs. I would guess the lack of an organic tanker aircraft prevents swapping fuel weight for bomb load.
That's a decent video of the Liaoning and its exercise with six J-15s aboard on the flight deck at once. The aircraft involved were numbers 100, 103, 104, 107, 108, and 113.
That is is actually the same video as another that has over 35,000 views.
At various times we have seen virtually all of the production J-15 aircraft operating on the Liaoning at one time or another.
I also really like this video of an English interview with the captain of the Liaoning.
Gotta be honest. I did not see a heavy sea state. the deck is not pitching up and down.
Check the first part of this video. Watch the horizon. I've see aircraft launched and recovered in these conditions many, many, many times.
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