Brother of Ling Jihua Reveals China's nuclear launch code and top secrets to US

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I never say they won't change the code. Changing the code is easy. Like how a lot of system adminstrator telling users to change password once network intrusion is detected. But that's superficial - once the hacker has systemic level of exploits, no matter how you change the passwords it is all futile. To fix and combat that level of intrusion requires significant more resources that many system adminstrators are not willing or incapable of doing so.

And that is the problem China face right now.

Yes you did say they won't change the codes. Here...

What makes you think Chinese counter-intelligence did anything?

The big win was the nuclear codes. Now you flip-flopped that they did change the codes. That's called doing something about it which you contradictory claim they just bury their heads. All that password and system administrator stuff... How do you know since you like asking that of everyone else? All of the sudden you have inside information and no one else knows anything. That's pretty arrogant for you to be so dismissive with everyone you disagree with knowing anything but some how you automatically know what's going on. I bet you claim China stole a lot of technology from the US. It's charged that China stole hypersonic technology. If that's the case, then how is it that China's hypersonic tests have performed better than US tests? They've travelled further. They've lasted longer. Isn't that because Chinese scientists and engineers would've had to bother with checking how to make it better. And that's if you believe it was stolen from the US. Since you think Chinese are lazy even with national security, they wouldn't have bothered to see if that can make run better.
 
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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Ultra, saying that Chinese counter intelligence might have done nothing or that they just changed their codes and buried their heads in the sand is the stupidest thing I've ever heard and reveals a bias that quite frankly makes anything else you say unworthy of serious consideration. How do I know that Chinese counterintelligence did anything if I don't work for them?? Are you kidding? How do you know that the CIA didn't just throw all the documents in a closet, call CNN and have a pizza party if you don't work for them?? China did not grow at this pace and become the powerhouse it is today (from being one of the poorest, most backwards nations on the planet when the CCP came into power) by using people who bury their heads in the sand and look the other way when presented with difficult situations. China is what it is today because of people who meticulously pour over their work, correcting every detail and when faced with a security leak of this magnitude, it is undoubtedly safe to assume that no effort was spared to plug up every danger; if not, and they judged that the leak was too difficult to deal with, they would have probably gave in to Ling Jihua's demands rather than put the whole country at risk. After all, he's not in power anymore and all they had to do was let him live comfortably. The CCP defeated the much better-armed and better-trained forces of Chiang Kai-Shek due in a very large part to excellence in intelligence and counter-intelligence. It is a lesson that is not lost even today.
 

Ultra

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Ultra, saying that Chinese counter intelligence might have done nothing or that they just changed their codes and buried their heads in the sand is the stupidest thing I've ever heard and reveals a bias that quite frankly makes anything else you say unworthy of serious consideration. How do I know that Chinese counterintelligence did anything if I don't work for them?? Are you kidding? How do you know that the CIA didn't just throw all the documents in a closet, call CNN and have a pizza party if you don't work for them?? China did not grow at this pace and become the powerhouse it is today (from being one of the poorest, most backwards nations on the planet when the CCP came into power) by using people who bury their heads in the sand and look the other way when presented with difficult situations. China is what it is today because of people who meticulously pour over their work, correcting every detail and when faced with a security leak of this magnitude, it is undoubtedly safe to assume that no effort was spared to plug up every danger; if not, and they judged that the leak was too difficult to deal with, they would have probably gave in to Ling Jihua's demands rather than put the whole country at risk. After all, he's not in power anymore and all they had to do was let him live comfortably. The CCP defeated the much better-armed and better-trained forces of Chiang Kai-Shek due in a very large part to excellence in intelligence and counter-intelligence. It is a lesson that is not lost even today.


If Chinese counter-intelligence is sooooo good as you claim it to be, how did they ended up with a doo-doo of this gigantic proportion on their face in the first place? Wouldn't they catch him before he even transfer all these mountains of documents to his brother IN UNITED STATES in the first place?

All that reveal is a massive bumbling and lax security exist in the current system that can be exploited. Remember Bo Xilai and the Wang Lijun incident? How about Chen Yonglin and
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I am certain there are more and there will be more, and that tells us there exist a huge internal security weakness that allows high level officials to just run to american with sensitive information that compromise China's national security.
 
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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
If Chinese counter-intelligence is sooooo good as you claim it to be, how did they ended up with a doo-doo of this gigantic proportion on their face in the first place? Wouldn't they catch him before he even transfer all these mountains of documents to his brother IN UNITED STATES in the first place?

All that reveal is a massive bumbling and lax security exist in the current system that can be exploited. Remember Bo Xilai and the Wang Lijun incident? How about Chen Yonglin and
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I am certain there are more and there will be more, and that tells us there exist a huge internal security weakness that allows high level officials to just run to american with sensitive information that compromise China's national security.
Excellent intelligence and counter-intelligence doesn't mean these things don't happen, but even suggesting that there is the possibility that they didn't do everything they can to assess the leaks and plug up the weaknesses is foolishness; that error would constitute incompetence of the highest order that certainly doesn't have a place in China. Even with a country like Madagascar, I wouldn't suspect them to be so incompetent. If you bring up examples of security breaches and accidents to imply the highest levels of incompetence, then I can say, look at Edward Snowden! If the US wasn't so incompetent, how would he escape and be in Russia now? How did Hillary's e-mails get compromised if the US knows what it's doing? How did Assange get so much info for wikileaks? I'll infer that they're so incompetent that they probably didn't even get around to reading Ling's documents yet. In 2014, the US found 92 nuclear officers cheated to get into their positions! They're so incompetent that if war broke out, they probably wouldn't even know how to operate their own nukes. This is all using your logic, not mine, to be clear.
 

lucretius

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Perhaps this will be a catalyst for change, both within the party... the military and also for international relations.

A good opportunity for the Chinese to seek a better relationship with the US IMO.
 

counterprime

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@manqiangrexue

"How do you know that the CIA didn't just throw all the documents in a closet, call CNN and have a pizza party if you don't work for them??"

LMFAOOOOO I'm dying!!
 

weig2000

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Well, Ling Wancheng has issued a statement via his attorney:

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Gregory S. Smith, a Washington attorney and former associate White House counsel to President Bill Clinton, told Reuters he has been retained by Ling Wancheng. He said that Ling Wancheng is in the United States but declined to say whether his client has applied for asylum and whether he is talking to U.S. authorities.

Ling Wancheng had not previously issued any statements or confirmed that he remained in the United States or was represented by counsel.

Smith, speaking by telephone from his Washington office, said Ling Wancheng was upset by the recent allegations. They had appeared in the Washington Free Beacon and later in the Financial Times.

Smith said he had been authorized by Ling Wancheng to make the following statement: "The absurd rumors that he is in possession of a large number of secrets, including keyboard nuclear codes, and rumors that he has handed over state secrets to the U.S. government, reported by media outlets, is a baseless lie and a groundless defamation, and he reserves his right through me to take action as appropriate."

Smith added that his client, an avid golfer, "came to the U.S. to share golf secrets, not state secrets."


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As I said before, there is a line between treason and political distension, a line that I believe Ling Jihua and Ling Wancheng clearly understand and there is no need/reason for them to cross. Besides, I doubt Ling Jihua has easy access to the operational level details of national security matters, critical as his position was within the party apparatus.
 

manqiangrexue

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Well, Ling Wancheng has issued a statement via his attorney:

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Gregory S. Smith, a Washington attorney and former associate White House counsel to President Bill Clinton, told Reuters he has been retained by Ling Wancheng. He said that Ling Wancheng is in the United States but declined to say whether his client has applied for asylum and whether he is talking to U.S. authorities.

Ling Wancheng had not previously issued any statements or confirmed that he remained in the United States or was represented by counsel.

Smith, speaking by telephone from his Washington office, said Ling Wancheng was upset by the recent allegations. They had appeared in the Washington Free Beacon and later in the Financial Times.

Smith said he had been authorized by Ling Wancheng to make the following statement: "The absurd rumors that he is in possession of a large number of secrets, including keyboard nuclear codes, and rumors that he has handed over state secrets to the U.S. government, reported by media outlets, is a baseless lie and a groundless defamation, and he reserves his right through me to take action as appropriate."

Smith added that his client, an avid golfer, "came to the U.S. to share golf secrets, not state secrets."


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As I said before, there is a line between treason and political distension, a line that I believe Ling Jihua and Ling Wancheng clearly understand and there is no need/reason for them to cross. Besides, I doubt Ling Jihua has easy access to the operational level details of national security matters, critical as his position was within the party apparatus.
Interesting read, but I think this is just a sleazy lawyer statement made to cover Ling from the dangers of massive PR damage with the Chinese community and also as an attempt to get Ling out of the spotlight, dumb down the story. Maybe they hope that this can even make it a little better for Ling Jihua, who's fate is entirely in the CCP's hands. He acted out too rashly and he wishes he hadn't (because now that he's had some time to do some thinking, he realizes that handing over documents in no way benefits either his situation or his brother's) so now he's trying to backtrack. If he's really not handed over any state secrets, then he can sue the papers that say he did for defamation. If he's unable to win in court, we know why. He's in trouble with the FBI if he hasn't shared/got any documents, BIG trouble. FBI doesn't hide people away under constant protection for nothing; if he admits to them that he's led them on and can't provide what he said he could, then I don't know if he's better off in FBI hands or in CCP hands. Ling's life is totally screwed; he's between a rock (FBI) and a very hard place (CCP), so to say. He should have never played this game.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
Interesting read, but I think this is just a sleazy lawyer statement made to cover Ling from the dangers of massive PR damage with the Chinese community and also as an attempt to get Ling out of the spotlight, dumb down the story. Maybe they hope that this can even make it a little better for Ling Jihua, who's fate is entirely in the CCP's hands. He acted out too rashly and he wishes he hadn't (because now that he's had some time to do some thinking, he realizes that handing over documents in no way benefits either his situation or his brother's) so now he's trying to backtrack. If he's really not handed over any state secrets, then he can sue the papers that say he did for defamation. If he's unable to win in court, we know why. He's in trouble with the FBI if he hasn't shared/got any documents, BIG trouble. FBI doesn't hide people away under constant protection for nothing; if he admits to them that he's led them on and can't provide what he said he could, then I don't know if he's better off in FBI hands or in CCP hands. Ling's life is totally screwed; he's between a rock (FBI) and a very hard place (CCP), so to say. He should have never played this game.

Of course, that's assuming he's under the protection of the FBI at all. Could be that the original articles were completely fabricated, or it could be that Ling is trying to save his own ass.
 
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