PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

Brumby said:

In my view, the immediate preoccupation with carrier operation is simply to ramp up sortie rates as part of the learning curve. This means working through the processes and operations through more sustained rates and cycle them through different sea states and weather. The only way to learn and improve is do lots of practice.

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I think what delft wrote and what you wrote are not mutually exclusive.

Given the Chinese Navy is still relatively new at carrier operations, it goes virtually without saying that their nearest term goal is building a core competency and proficiency in basic carrier operations before increasing in complexity and increasing carrier numbers before conducting larger scale deployments in the medium term.

Bltizo said:

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That's because the SCS is still a relatively crowded area with lots of listening posts and aircraft and ships, not to mention it is becoming increasingly crowded with submarines. Better to conduct standard training elsewhere instead in areas less crowded and only deploy large scale exercises there if it is in response to provocation.

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That's exactly what makes it a good area to practice in though, at least for a SAG, subs, and island based aircraft which may end up as part of or working with a CVBG. It's just too high of a negative PR cost with a CV unless the circumstances are just right.

delft said:

The book has been written by USN which has often been tasked with projecting power into other countries like Libya in 2011. It actually complains about anti access/ area denial armaments that would make such power projection difficult. It is for the medium term impossible that China would practice that form of of power projection if only because it will not be by far the strongest naval power in the World as USN has been since 1930?
After that there are political considerations.

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I don't think China is planning on US or even French or Russian scale or style interventions. China is most likely to practice "MOOTW in force", such as the primary mission being to evacuate its citizens from a country but with the ability to use carrier aircraft to deter or strike at threats. This could include pinpoint hostage rescue raids or helping break the seige of a larger area where its citizens might be trapped.

Brumby said:

In my view, the immediate preoccupation with carrier operation is simply to ramp up sortie rates as part of the learning curve. This means working through the processes and operations through more sustained rates and cycle them through different sea states and weather. The only way to learn and improve is do lots of practice.

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For the likely missions I stated above and the lack of LHD/LHA in the PLAN fleet I think this will include fixed+rotary and large scale rotary aircraft operations.

Higgle said:

Gentlemen, I present to you my first post-- and an update on the Type 001A under construction.

Courtesy of Big Cat.

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Thanks Higgle!

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Steam based catapult still in development?

siegecrossbow said:

Steam based catapult still in development?

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I think it is too long to be the catapult for CV. The original post indicates they are around 200 m and 240 m.

EblisTx said:

I think it is too long to be the catapult for CV. The original post indicates they are around 200 m and 240 m.

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Well, that is a an excellent point.

The US Navy's latest two steam cats, C-13-1 (first three Nimitz class), and C-13-2 (rest of the Nimitz class) are each 325 ft. long, or just under 100m.

Does anyone have the overall diminsions of the Lakehurst cats? I believe they are the same.

So, if they are 200 and 240m long, this implies they are not for the carrier.

On the other hand, they might be able to use them for testing in any case.

Nothing says that the aircraft cannot take flight before the end of the cat trench if they have the right mechanisms set up for them to do so.

siegecrossbow said:

Steam based catapult still in development?

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Key point to note, "according to Kanwa".

In the next paragrah after "Kanwa", it says "it is very difficult to determine whether it is steam ...."

In summary, this is just another recycled piece, nothing new that we don't already know.

I think, the mass media including "Kanwa" and Sina which republished this piece are just trying to attract readership, so they regularly recycle the "Olds".

Jeff Head said:

Well, that is a an excellent point.

The US Navy's latest two steam cats, C-13-1 (first three Nimitz class), and C-13-2 (rest of the Nimitz class) are each 325 ft. long, or just under 100m.

Does anyone have the overall diminsions of the Lakehurst cats? I believe they are the same.

So, if they are 200 and 2409m long, this implies they are not for the carrier.

On the other hand, they might be able to use them for testing in any case.

Nothing says that the aircraft cannot take flight before the end of the cat trench if they have the right mechanisms set up for them to do so.

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I have gone through the replies in the post.

1. it seems there was similar photo around half year ago. Kanwa's recent report gets media's attention.
2. Some people argue the large trench is the actual location to install the cat (seems ~100 m long to me).

Jeff Head said:

Well, that is a an excellent point.

The US Navy's latest two steam cats, C-13-1 (first three Nimitz class), and C-13-2 (rest of the Nimitz class) are each 325 ft. long, or just under 100m.

Does anyone have the overall diminsions of the Lakehurst cats? I believe they are the same.

So, if they are 200 and 240m long, this implies they are not for the carrier.

On the other hand, they might be able to use them for testing in any case.

Nothing says that the aircraft cannot take flight before the end of the cat trench if they have the right mechanisms set up for them to do so.

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Maybe only part of the track is the the catapult and rest of it is the buffer zone to let the plane\payload release its kinetic energy.

kriss said:

Maybe only part of the track is the the catapult and rest of it is the buffer zone to let the plane\payload release its kinetic energy.

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Every turn in those images is a sharp 90 degee angle, steam most likely won't work so well given those parameters