056 class FFL/corvette

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delft

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Not really Wolf.

The LCS has suffered from an evolution that has included a lot of administrative and bureaucratic nonsense that has had to be overcome. In the configuration's that came out of that...you would be correct in terms of you analysis.

But now they are in the process of being armed appropriately and they will certainly not be in a position where they are unable to either defend themselves or contend with peer and near peer vessels they may run up against.

Before the new ASMs and upgrades to their sensors and weaponry were decided upon fairly recently...the statements you made about the combat capabilities were true...but that is being rectified.

Yes, the 32 VLS cells for the Type 054A are better able to deal with larger attacks and some area coverage which the LCS cannot. But they have not been designed to do that...where as the Type 054A has.

The RAM missiles will allow them to defend themselves well against the types of situations they may reasonably run up against when operating either alone or in a section of two vessels.

If there is any thought that they may meet up with a large task force of similar or larger vessels, they would be tasked into a SAG which would include one or more Burkes.



As I say, in their earlier configurations the comparison to the 056 was apt. Now the LCS is expected to be more of a FFG player. it will perform ASW duties for the larger vessels, and it will be a capable anti-surface wrfare vessels as stated above.

What it will lack is the ability to contribute heavily to any area defense, or large saturation attacks.

This is a big doifference...but I expect if the PLAN expected a Type 054A to truly run up against large area defense needs, or large saturation attacks, they would end up having a 52C or 52D tasked with them as well.



It may have been point tasked for that type of environment earlier...and it will still serve well there.

buibt the changes that are being made are going to broaden its capabilities and it will be deployed accordingly.

Peraonlly, the US Navy should have designed a more capable multi-role FFG for the LCS. But they did not. They have been left with tryoing to upgrade it so that is can perfrom better...and they will be successful at it.

but the latest decision to cut their numbers to 40 means to me that the US Navy oin the next few years...probably sometime during the next administration's term, is going to present a more capable Multi-role frigate and then build 20-24 of those as well.

We will just have to wait and see.

The problem arose because of the PIVOT, and as with any apex predator that gets dumped in a totally different environment, many of the features that made it so successful in its native environment are ill suited, or a downright hinderance in the new environment and against the very different prey and competition it must now face.
It seems to me that too much of the specification has been written by US Congress, while the Navy has more than two centuries of experience in this respect.
 

Jeff Head

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It seems to me that too much of the specification has been written by US Congress, while the Navy has more than two centuries of experience in this respect.[/QUOTE]
As I say...to much administrative and bureaucracy got involved...and that included political appointees from two administrations.

It ultimately simply had to be reigned in.

Luckily for the PLAN, it is apparent that the Type 054A and the Type 056 never had to deal with such nonsense.

And good for them. Hopefully the US will have learned from this.
 
As I say...to much administrative and bureaucracy got involved...and that included political appointees from two administrations.

...

well, I've been following the LCS Project for something like one year and a half now, so I think
  • it was actually the US Navy which had to be "pushed" to prepare alternatives to LCS in 2014 (so called Hagel's memo):
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    but
  • I think the USN then actually tried to change LCSs as LITTLE as possible, under the circumstances:
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  • and I think this "backfired" on the USN in the end of 2015:
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and as a big fan of the USN, I'm saddened by this, because in the next forty or so years, at any moment, about one fourth of the USN surface combatants will be LCS/FFs (assuming roughly 300-ships USN, about 100 of which deployed, and "3-2-1" manning concept of LCS/FFs), which are obviously under-armed, and I'm not that sure if it's going to change (I've been following the pace at which the Mission Modules are being developed); in the meantime, Navies like ... so that I stay on topic since it's
Plan Type 056 Class Opv/corvette
Thread: Malayan with the Gowinds and Indonesian with SIGMAs, will become better armed!

as Jeff knows :) I blamed the concepts of "concurrency" and "modularity":
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/littoral-combat-ships-lcs.t3993/page-83#post-353949
for what the LCS become, and suggested "an evolution of the OHP-class":
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/littoral-combat-ships-lcs.t3993/page-104#post-368035
instead; Jeff called me "repetitive" in the LCS Thread and oops, I did it again
 

steve_rolfe

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Here's a photo of the 24th 056 Corvette '506'.
Someone has speculated that the vessel may of been inducted into the fleet, but i havn't found any clarification of that from anywhere, though its clear the vessel will be in the Chinese fleet very soon.
I'll just wait until i see an image of the commissioning ceremony. ;)
Anyway, the picture below shows what a neat little ship the 056 is.

056_506.jpg
 

steve_rolfe

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Well since my last post, i can confirm that as expected the 24th 056 Corvette '506' Jingmen has been inducted into the Chinese Navy. This is a 056A variant i believe.

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Scroll down page, for image and news article.

Don't forget to update the 056 build table, though we don't know yet the exact date commissioning took place.:)
 
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navyreco

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It is actually a 056A
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Updating my article right away
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FORBIN

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For Shantou 25th Light Frigate Sqn the 4th, 2nd unit with 4 right now seems theoretical staffing but these Sqns have again 037 variants then possible get more after.

Exist 9 Light Frigate Sqns including Hong-Kong Sqn and i have to minimum 4 others planned for receive whose 2 fully equiped with Houxin...

Total 24 : NSF 7, same for ESF and 10 for SSF.
 
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FORBIN

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For Shantou 25th Light Frigate Sqn
No 25th Light Frigate Sqn homeported to Yulin/Sanya, SSF ; 24th to Shantou.
Three 056 here # 504, 584, 589 in 18°13'18.74"N 109°32'16.63"E
 
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