Chinese purchase of Su-35

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kwaigonegin said:
I believe China has reach parity if not surpassed Russia in terms or packing T/R modules or minimizing T/R modules in AESA arrays. While there are multiple other factors involved, that would be one the biggest one in terms of effectiveness and quality.
I do not believe China has reach parity with the likes of Thales, Raytheon etc.
As with any AESA radar, cooling is also key .. the tighter and smaller it's packed the hotter it gets and like everything electronic heat is the biggest enemy. I do not know about advancement in radar cooling in planes but that goes hand in hand with building better AESA panels.
You cannot talk about AESA or even PESA w/o addressing their cooling. It's a vital component especially on fighter planes. That is almost as challenging as the AESA themselves.
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Bottom line is both Russia and China has ongoing AESA development programs and unless we know the details, it is premature to assume certain conclusion. It should also be noted that aperture power ratings is an integral component which is driven by engine power. AESA whilst it has its inherent benefits, it is simply overrated in air to air engagement for a number of reasons. Firstly, it is almost suicidal to switch it on in a contested environment. It is liken to switching on a torch light in a dark room. Empirical studies on the first Iraqi war, tells us that 82 % of the air engagements were vectored in by AWACS rather than being dependent on the planes own radar. I would expect this trend to continue in a networked battlefield of the future. Additionally, the trend is towards sensor integration architecture vs traditional federated systems between radar and EW. APG-81 is designed from the ground up with this in mind. What do we know of the Russian and Chinese systems?
 
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Well, we have re-opened the thread because we had a confirmation from a spokesman in China that basically said that the collaboration on the deal was productive and beneficial.

It is indeed an official PRC announcement...but color me skeptical.

I still did not read a clear, definitive statement that the PRC is actually buying and will be receiving the aircraft.

I know...I know...there is now an official PRC statement, which I said I was looking for. So I am willing to go with it.

But, as I say, it is far from being clear and definitive...and I still see no real, clear and obvious reason that China would want or need the aircraft themselves.

Now, if there is embedded in this deal an understanding that allows the Chinese to take advantage of, study, replicate, and be significantly benefited by the engine technology...well, that is an entirely different matter.

If that is the case, that alone would make acquiring the 24 aircraft more than worth it if they got concessions from Russia on acquiring the engine technology.

Getting 24 SU-35s that are outfitted with Chinese avionics, electronics, and weapons, will be a nice addition to the PLAAF. But the real deal...the real benefit would be being able to boost their engine development in general.

Time will tell.
 
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Jeff Head said:
Well, we have re-opened the thread because we had a confirmation from a spokesman in China that basically said that the collaboration on the deal was productive and beneficial.

It is indeed an official PRC announcement...but color me skeptical.

I still did not read a clear, definitive statement that the PRC is actually buying and will be receiving the aircraft.

I know...I know...there is now an official PRC statement, which I said I was looking for. So I am willing to go with it.

But, as I say, it is far from being clear and definitive...and I still see no real, clear and obvious reason that China would want or need the aircraft themselves.

Now, if there is embedded in this deal an understanding that allows the Chinese to take advantage of, study, replicate, and be significantly benefited by the engine technology...well, that is an entirely different matter.

If that is the case, that alone would make acquiring the 24 aircraft more than worth it if they got concessions from Russia on acquiring the engine technology.

Getting 24 SU-35s that are outfitted with Chinese avionics, electronics, and weapons, will be a nice addition to the PLAAF. But the real deal...the real benefit would be being able to boost their engine development in general.

Time will tell.
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Would not surprised if there are tacit and unannounced cooperative "sweeteners". Sometimes you eat your veggies to get permission to raid the cookie jar.
 
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This thread is about the SU-35 deal between Russia and China.

NOT about what engine the F-22 has.

NOT about capacitance and electrical storage.

NOT about the differences in PESA and AESA.

NOT about what engines the J-11 has versus other nations.

NOT about endless, meaningless arguments between posters who make a habit of arguing with each other on and on and on and on.

GIVE IT A REST!

Get back on Topic. Consider this a warning to all who are participating in such. Suspensions will follow if you continue.

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