If the west is willing to assist, wouldn't it have agreed to TOT during the past negotiation?
China won Turkey's missile defense competition
- Thread starter Hendrik_2000
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IDK, I've only started following world military developments in the past year or so, I admit I don't really know much when it comes to European military matters so I stand corrected, however I do think that with recent events in Ukraine, the west might be a bit more willing to help Turkey.
No worries, non of us can claim to be expert especially in case of politics and strategical matters as they are very fluidish.
I was just pointing out that there must be a good reason for the west to make that turn.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Turkey cancels the SAM contract with China ?? Big news I wonder why
JayBird
Junior Member
I was optimistic with the deal when China first won the tender with Turkey. But after seeing how Turkey dragging their feet deadline after deadline, you knew they aren't really going to actually buy the HQ-9. They were probably using China as leverage trying to squeeze a better deal out of U.S or NATO all along.
It didn't work out for Turkey at the end because both U.S and NATO did not give in to Turkey and call it's bluff. China was being used but got some free advertisment for their SAM out of the whole deal. But like someone says, your missile and radar technology needs to be in certain level to even be used as competitors to the U.S, Russian and NATO advanced SAMs. That in itself is proves how good the Chinese SAM are right now when you know the export version of HQ-9 is not even the most advanced SAM in China's possession.
It didn't work out for Turkey at the end because both U.S and NATO did not give in to Turkey and call it's bluff. China was being used but got some free advertisment for their SAM out of the whole deal. But like someone says, your missile and radar technology needs to be in certain level to even be used as competitors to the U.S, Russian and NATO advanced SAMs. That in itself is proves how good the Chinese SAM are right now when you know the export version of HQ-9 is not even the most advanced SAM in China's possession.
SamuraiBlue
Captain
Well realistically I didn't see how it would have worked out.
Turkey wanted the source codes(technical transfer) for the missile to ensure there were no back doors(shared with the Russians) and PRC not wanting to give the source codes in fear of it being transferred to the US.
If it was something commercial like a train or a commercial airliner why not but a sophisticated mid range SAM system?
Turkey wanted the source codes(technical transfer) for the missile to ensure there were no back doors(shared with the Russians) and PRC not wanting to give the source codes in fear of it being transferred to the US.
If it was something commercial like a train or a commercial airliner why not but a sophisticated mid range SAM system?
antiterror13
Brigadier
correction . HQ-9 is not mid range SAM ... it is a sophisticated Long Range SAM
You are right, I don't think anyone would be prepared to give full source code for such sophisticated system ... Turkey is just dreaming
Also I Am not 100% convinced whether the Turkey had fund for such expensive system, including maintenance, etc
This event is bad for Turkey as the countries would think twice in the future for any tender by Turkish Govt .... preparing tender documents, site visit, demo, etc, etc are very very expensive
SamuraiBlue
Captain
HQ-9 only has a range of 120Km which makes it middle range SAM.
You'll need over 200Km in range like SM-6 to label it as a Long range SAM.
You'll need over 200Km in range like SM-6 to label it as a Long range SAM.
Well, FD-2000 as a range of 120km -- none of us really know what the range of HQ-9, HHQ-9 or newer variants of them have. There is also the widely circulated alternative slant range that HQ-9 actually has a range of 200km, but I personally doubt that is true, at least for the initial variant.
That said, Aster-30 has a range of 120km as well and is also widely considered to be a long range SAM. I personally consider any SAM with an effective slant range exceeding 70km to be in the long range SAM category.
Medium range SAMs would be like Sea Ceptor, ESSM, HQ-16, Shtil, whose effective range varies from 20+km to under 70km.
I also wouldn't take range numbers for SAMs (or AAMs) too seriously -- the effective range always differs depending on what kind of target is being faced, and the various manufacturers in the world are probably not using any universal, common target parameters for their effective range measures.