ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Brumby

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The recent episode on the missile strikes is providing good optics for future Russian military sale. The ability to launch missile strikes from low end vessels at great distance is impressive and demonstrate proof of concept in asymmetric warfare for those countries that can't afford expensive toys. It also demonstrate resolve that Russia is clearly in the game and Putin's resolve in contrast to Obama pussy footing between leading from behind and sporadic engagement.
 

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There is legitimate argument both for and against US getting involved in Syria. My view is that you US shouldn't get involved. Putin's tough guy act doesn't change the fact that US does not need to be the policemen everywhere or get involved in every middle eastern conflict. The longer that Russia gets involved, the more they will get sucked into this conflict unless they can somehow defeat all of Assad's opponent. They don't have anywhere near US' resources to pay for prolonged involvement. As for Russia firing with low end vessels, I'm not sure they have much choice. What else could they use if they are operating from Caspian Sea? It's not like they have that many full operational ocean going ships from other major fleet that could launch a prolonged mission either.
 
The recent episode on the missile strikes is providing good optics for future Russian military sale. The ability to launch missile strikes from low end vessels at great distance is impressive and demonstrate proof of concept in asymmetric warfare for those countries that can't afford expensive toys. It also demonstrate resolve that Russia is clearly in the game and Putin's resolve in contrast to Obama pussy footing between leading from behind and sporadic engagement.

The US is dealing with the effects of "entangling alliances". The Obama administration is doing all it can in the service of US interests short of committing political suicide going up against the Saudi, Israeli, and other lobbies. Perhaps if a Republican or independent administration comes next in the US it can pull a Nixon-goes-to-China and fully pursue the foreign policy pivot Obama started which is in the right direction for both the US and overall for the world.
 

Brumby

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There is legitimate argument both for and against US getting involved in Syria. My view is that you US shouldn't get involved.
I concur. Having said that the problem I see with Obama's approach is the one foot in commitment and the flawed insistence on regime change that is not backed by any constructive plan on how to bring about an end game that would offer stability to Syria.

Putin's tough guy act doesn't change the fact that US does not need to be the policemen everywhere or get involved in every middle eastern conflict. The longer that Russia gets involved, the more they will get sucked into this conflict unless they can somehow defeat all of Assad's opponent. They don't have anywhere near US' resources to pay for prolonged involvement.
I think Putin's immediate objective is to demonstrate Russia's relevance to any political solution and that I think the point is made. The intermediate objective is to change the narrative of regime change and that also is resonating. The end game fro Russia is to ensure the Assad regime remain in power, and to strengthen its ability to remove all credible opposition and that includes ISIL. I think with Russia providing air support and ISR, and Syria with the boots there is a good chance of success. It also stops the Western power from continuing to degrade Assad's forces in the process.

As for Russia firing with low end vessels, I'm not sure they have much choice. What else could they use if they are operating from Caspian Sea? It's not like they have that many full operational ocean going ships from other major fleet that could launch a prolonged mission either.
I think it demonstrates that Russia can deliver bang for buck and that resonates well with many countries that don't have big military budget. It also demonstrate that under Putin, the Russian military has been able to reconstitute itself into a meaningful force not just on paper. It also demonstrate that Putin knows how to play the political game skilfully unlike Obama and his team. Optics matter.
 

dtulsa

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We must remember Bin Laden's dead Alquidas on the run Russia is our friend and isis/isil is the JV team what a freaking joke we have as a CIC
 
the assessment by the U.S. Naval Institute’s online news is ... conservative? ...
... by DefenseTech is not so:
Strike Highlights Russia’s Advances in Cruise Missile Technology
Russia’s recent cruise
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in Syria — despite reports that some wayward munitions landed in Iran — demonstrates the country’s advances in developing the technology, an expert said.

“It’s still good news for the Russians because they have actually used these new cruise missiles in combat for the first time and demonstrated their capability,” Paul Schwartz, a senior associate in the Russia and Eurasia program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said in an interview with Military.com.

“The fact that four of them went off track … does not negate to a major extent the fact that most of these seem to have hit their target,” he added. “It shows that the underlying technology seems to be sound.”

Four Russian naval vessels in the Caspian Sea on Wednesday launched a total of 26 cruise missiles at 11 targets affiliated with the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, according to
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from the Russian news organization RT.

The ships were identified in the report as the Gepard-class frigate Dagestan and the Buyan-M-class corvettes Grad Sviyazhsk, Uglich and Veliky Ustyug. They’re armed with Kalibr-NK launchers, which can launch missiles capable of hitting targets at distances of up to about 1,550 miles (2,500 kilometers).

Monitoring by U.S. military and intelligence assets concluded that at least four missiles crashed as they flew over Iran, according to
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Thursday from CNN.

The Russian Defense Ministry, however, denied the report and said photographs and real-time video from drones show all the missiles — a long-range subsonic land-attack version of the Klub family — hit their intended targets, according to
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on RT.

Even if some of the missiles missed their mark, the fact that many of them struck targets in Syria shows that Russia has closed the gap between the U.S. in conventional defense technology, Schwartz said.

“It’s important to remember that even the U.S. — with its very long history of using the Tomahawk dating to the Gulf War — it took us quite a while to become proficient with these missiles,” he said. “The Russians for some time have been wanting to upgrade to the precision-strike weapons that the U.S. has long enjoyed a monopoly on with the Tomahawk cruise missile.”

During the Cold War, the Soviet Union developed the RK-55 Granat land-based cruise missile, which carried a nuclear warhead, but the weapon was never fielded due to restrictions under the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. It had also previously developed the anti-ship cruise missile P-700 Granit.

“The newer system is superior — better guidance system, lower flight profile, it’s more reliable,” Schwartz said. “It represents some of the many things the Russians have learned since the Cold War.”

Russia has also made significant technological gains in air defense systems, U.S. military officials say. The country in recent years has deployed an increasing number of higher quality surface-to-air missile systems and other defensive measures, particularly in and around Kaliningrad and Crimea — which it annexed from the Ukraine last year — to limit the ability of U.S. and NATO aircraft to enter its airspace.
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here's what NavyTimes has to say:

As many as four of the 26 long-range cruise missiles that Russia said it fired at Syrian targets landed instead in Iran, U.S. defense officials said Thursday.

The officials said it's unclear whether the errant missiles, launched from Russian ships in the Caspian Sea, caused any significant damage in Iran. Both the Russian government and state-run Iranian media accused the United States of inaccurate or deliberately deceptive statements.

Three U.S. officials said four missiles went off course. The officials were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

The Russian government said Wednesday it launched 26 cruise missiles, hitting targets in north and northwestern Syrian provinces. It made no mention of any missiles going astray, suggesting that the operation was fully successful. The missiles' intended flight paths took them over Iran and Iraq.

On Thursday, the Russian Ministry of Defense employed a little sarcasm in its denial.

"However unpleasant and 'unexpected' it may be for our colleagues at the Pentagon and Langley (CIA's Virginia headquarters) about yesterday's attacks by high-accuracy weapons on the (Islamic State) infrastructure in Syria -- all the same, all rockets fired from ships found their targets," said a ministry spokesman, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov.

Iranian government officials could not immediately be reached for comment, but the semi-official Fars news agency on Thursday said Western news reports about missiles going astray amounted to U.S. "psychological warfare" against Russia's intervention in Syria. An earlier report by Fars on Wednesday quoted Iraj Saghafi, acting governor of Takab in northwestern Iran, saying an explosion heard in the region was "possibly related to work in a nearby rock quarry."

The cruise missile attack in Syria was part of an expanding Russian military campaign that has deepened the divide between Moscow and Washington over how to approach the Syrian civil war and the presence there of Islamic State fighters.

Secretary of State John Kerry spoke Thursday by telephone with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov for about a half-hour, focusing primarily on Syria and Ukraine, State Department spokesman John Kirby told reporters. Kerry voiced concern that the "preponderance of targets" being struck by Russian military forces in Syria aren't related to the Islamic State. Kerry told his counterpart that the U.S. was prepared to hold further discussions with Russia to avoid misunderstandings while both countries undertake missions in Syrian airspace, according to Kirby.

Kirby wouldn't discuss reports of Russian cruise missiles landing in Iran, but said such evidence would only reinforce the need for the U.S., Russia and others to "deconflict" their various military efforts in Syria.

The talks, he said, also encompassed the importance of advancing a political transition away from Syrian President Bashar Assad and toward a new government.

The Russian cruise missile strikes have added a new layer of uncertainty to efforts by the Pentagon to ensure the safety of U.S. and coalition pilots who are flying daily in Syria airspace. Russia also is flying attack and reconnaissance missions over Syria.

Russia says its intervention is aimed at helping the Syrian government defeat the Islamic State group, but local activists and U.S. officials say the strikes have also targeted Western-backed rebels and have had the effect of propping up the Assad government.
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