Chinese Engine Development

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Was it a case of failure to copy F-16 intakes that lead to the J-10A configuration?

The F16's intakes were hardly anything special.

The J10A's intakes are actually more advanced in comparison, since it is variable compared to the F16's fixed design, allowing the J10A a higher top speed.

We all know the Russians helped with the J10's intake re-design to allow it to accommodate the AL31, maybe the work wasn't as simple as merely designing a slightly bigger intake to handle the increased air flow.

So rather than just design a slightly bigger version of the F16 intake to handle the AL31, the Russians helped China move to a variable intake to improve performance into the bargain as well.
 

b787

Captain
Was it a case of failure to copy F-16 intakes that lead to the J-10A configuration?

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This is a picture of the Chinese delegation (including the picture of a chief designer well known, in front of the Lavi.) clue the designer also has a picture of a model in his hand of a J-10.

The reason they changed the intake is more due to the engine and speed requirements, to put it simple the size of the intake influences the flow needs; the shape and mechanics, the speed.

Example F-15 and F-16 used the same engine but have different intakes due to the speed needs.
F-16-79 has an engine with greater power thus the intake mouth was made larger
 

JayBird

Junior Member
Here is google translate and I rearrange some of the sentence and words minus some parts the best I can with the Taihang engine article posted by A.Man. It be too long to translate the whole article word by word. Maybe not 100% accurate but you get the basic idea of what the original author meant. It's an interesting read if you have the time.

Part 1
A while ago, the long-awaited Taihang modified WS-10B engine finally enter batch production and was seen equipped on J-10B. This not only confirmed the earlier speculation and also disprove certain rumors. But more importantly with the improved version of Taihang engine entering mass production, the core of China's current third generation main fighter jets no longer susceptible to other countries will.( fourth generation western standard) It's gratifying to learned Taihang engine finally able to shoulder it's responsibilities. This article simply looking back at the long and difficult road of development of the Taihang engine, and trying to clarify some facts. But due to limited information available, some mistakes are inevitable.

The Taihang engine was first started from January-8-1986 when Deng Xiaoping approved the recommendation by nine aero-engine experts such as Wu Daguan on development of a new turbofan engine.(later know as "Taihang") And in Auguest 1987 the commission of national defense approve the new turbofan engine project and named Li Zhiguang as the Chief architetch.

Something worth noting is Taihang engine is not the original engine of J-10. It was targeted to be the second phase next generation engine for J-10. From the time line stand point, J-10 project was initiated in January-1986,there was no such thing as Taihang engine at the time. We also need to know engine development usually takes longer time than figther jet development, if an engine project started later than a fighter jet project, it's impossible to catch up with the fighter jet project and ready for first flight and research testing.

Under the original plan, J-10 was installed with a Chinese version of Mig-23 engine P29-300 (WP-15) as a transient-type engines for scientific research flight test. But because the turbojet-15 project was almost in simultaneous development of J-10 project, there was a technical risk that it won't be ready for J-10 as well. But with the warming up of the Sino-Soviet relations in the late 1980, and then the collapse of the Soviet Union, China was able to import AL-31 high thrust turbofan engine from Russia.


In 1990 China formed a delegation to the Soviet Union to investigte and specifically studied the possibility of AL-31 matching J-10's need,and also explored the feasibility of the location change for the engine casing gear box with the soviet side.

May 23-25, 1991 the National Defense Commission held a high-thrust turbofan engine project discussion in Beijing (later called the "Taihang" ), it was agreed that the engine project was officially approved . By the end of the year , Zhang Enhuo to replace Li GuangEn as "Taihang" engine's Chief Engineer .
Oct-1991, a delegation including Ye Zhengda visited the Soviet Union and officially proposed to the Soviet side to provide a type of high performance engine for J-10. At the time Lyulka Bureau sent chief Engineer of AJ-31 Andreyev to China by the end of the year, and submit their proposal and technology parameters on the engine for J-10.

In 1992 the contract was finally signed to introduce AL-31 engine to China from Russia. Since Al-31 is larger than WP-15 in size, replacing the WP-15 engine also required re-design of the rear fuselage to accommodate the larger AL-31 engine. For that reason the J-10 project development schedule was delayed for about 1.5 years. And the WP-15 project was no longer needed and cancel. (AL-31FN maximum diameter1.180 meters, length 5 meters. WP-15 maximum diameter 1.088 meters, length 4.992 meters long.)

In general, the engine development process stages including ground static tests - simulated altitude test- flight test on testbed. But in 1993, R & D process only have "ground station test and flight station test, and no high altitude station test, because the high altitude Jiangyou station construction is not yet complete. Even after the completion of the station in 1995, it's still do not have the ability to test the Taihang engine, it took another few years later to truly have that ability. Moreover, when the only domestic flight testbed life has expired, the flight envelope is too small, not suitable for testing requirements of Taihang. And it would be too risky to use J-10 as the test flight platform when the engine only completed ground static tests. It does not pass the test conditions and would be even more risky than using WP-15 engine. Also, with J-10 already having AL-31 as a mature engine for test flight, this solution was impossible to obtain approval from the higher ups. And without suitable test platform for the Taihang engine and causing dealy in the project, Taihang engine project was facing the danger of being cancel.
 

JayBird

Junior Member
During the 1990s China imported number of fighter jets from abroad to directly equip the air force.(SU-27 from Russia) The new chief engineer Zhang Enhuo suggest using the imported fighter jet as test platform for the Taihang engine to reduce development risk of the project. And he applied for one import fighter jet as test bed for Taihang engine in his 1993 report to China Aviation industry corporation.

In June-7-1995, when the deputy chief of staff of the Central Military Commission Cao Gangchuan convey important decisions that Taihang engine should be the next engine to be equiped with J-10 and SU-27. As China should not be subjugated by other countries on fighter jet engines. This means they need to not only solve the test platform problem, but also need to solve the problem on follow up SU-27(J-11) engines. One engine for two types of figther jets, the importance of Taihang engine was raised to a new height.

It's became an important issue whether Taihang engine can be installed on Su-27 or not.That is also one of the controversial topics we debated a lot in the past. Is Taihang and AL-31 engine interchangeable without modification to the plane body, or the rear fuselage. Althought there are large numbers of facts proving there is no need for modification, but there are still misunderstanding with a lot of people, therefore I will try to clarify the relevant facts here.

First, like we already mentioned in the begining that J-10 was first originally installed with WP-15 engine and changed to AL-31, rather than from Taihang to AL-31. Secondly, the size of WP-15 is smaller than AL-31, while Taihnag prototype size is larger than AL-31. In order to install an engine larger than AL-31 on SU-27, One approach is to midify the back of the SU-27 to accommodate the larger Taihang engine, Another approach is to modify the size of the Taihnag to accommodate the Su-27's engine compartment. Since back then China still does not have the ability to modify the Su-27, therefore Taihang engine was re-design in adaptation of the Su-27 engine compartment.The theory of planes installed with AL-31 can not be installed with Taihang is just a misunderstanding. In fact from the compatible point of view alone, they are entirely feasible.

In addition, the J-10 modified fueslage is not to change engine, it's because of changed engine. The reason being some technical specifications did not achieve the original design specification after changing the engine from WP-15 to AL-31. And Song wencong decided to slim down the J-10 to meet the original design specification. But that's later on after the first flight of technology demonstrator.

From 1997 on the development focus shifted to the engine performance and adaptations design with the modified engine matching SU-27.Since China can't modify or can only make simple modification on SU-27 at the time. The main technical issues to be developed on the engine side for 606 institute to resolve. Before the metal prtotype design, Shenyang and 606 institute did technical coordination from aerodynamic and structural designs to demonstrate concrete ways for installing the engine. After several design changes to address the afterburner cylinder turn 5 degrees, afterburner ignition overrun, after casing modification, rerouting external piping and fittings and other problems (by the change on the engine casing, turbine starter drive also on the lower shaft by the change), the overall design for installing the modified Taihang engine was finally completed.

Meanwhile, From 1997 on Taihang's engine testing time doubled the numbers of pervious year annually.The engine ground test bed design and adaptations advanced simultaneously. At the time level one broken fan blade failure was once a stumbling block for the development work, the design has to be modified to take various measures to strengthen the root of the fan blades, so that the breaking point stress level greatly reduced, to meet the reliability requirements of engine test. Taihang engine test also revealed problems in control, the control system used a new technology Full authority digital engine (FADEC), the stability, reliability and robustness needs certain period to be address and mature, but it will affect the Taihang engine's overall capacity of flight test schedule, Zhang Enhuo decided to use mechanical hydraulic scheme to speedy the project.

In March 1998, J-10 prototype first flew. And in May the General Armament Department approved "Taihang" engine from being first install on J-10 to Su-27 instead. And Taiheng would be adjusted and finalized the design on Su-27. In September the same year, Shenyang, Shen Fei in cooperation with LiMing completed the installion of the engine on the full-size metal prototype aircraft, it only took one hour and half to complete the installion, further evidence of the "Taihang" engine will match the aircraft. In December, mechanical hydraulic scheme Taihang engine was tested, after a rigorous assessment verification, to ensure reliable operation of the engine. Thus, the original FADEC scheme is adjusted to be second in line, to be mature and then replace the mechanical hydraulic control program.

October 2000, 624 insititue Jiangyou station finally have the ability for high-altitude test for high-thrust engine. Altitude simulation test is to verify the reliability of aircraft engines, the ability to work within the flight envelope of the important test. Taihang engine has carried out four tests on the engine features, performance, thrust transient, off afterburner, inlet distortion, high altitude, high temperature and other characteristics were examined.

By the end of 2000 and early 2001, the factory that manufacture engine components deliver was a full year later than planned, the last engine parts was finally deliver on November 20 to 606 insititue. After working overtime, the aircraft was finally equipped with a Taihang engine in accordance with agreement and on time delivered to SAC at end of the year.

On June 6, 2001, A Su-27 mounted with one Taihang engine on the right side of the engine compartment completed its first test flight on SAC runway. By mid-October, the Taihang engine through two phases which lasted more than four months of test flight, successfully finish engine flight test ahead of schedule.

Part 2 II

In 2002, after completion of flight tests prescribed for Taihang, A J-11 was equipped with two Taihang engines for research flight testing. Thus, the Taihang engine enter the phase of finalizing design. During the engine prototype development stage, new materials powder metallurgy was used on high pressure turbine disk. Since the domestic technology is not yet mature at the time. Zhang Enhuo shouldered immense pressure deciding to replace high
temperature turbine disk material from FGH95 powder alloy to high temperature alloy GH4169. In fact, the turbine blades were also replaced from DD3 single crystal blades to DZ125 directionally solidified alloy blades.

In the same year, due to the Taihang engine repeatedly delayed, China have to continue to buy Russian AL-31F / FN (AL-31FN 54 engines) for the J-10 and J-11 production, making the AL-31 from "transition" engine to be the official column installed engine. And for the first flight of J-11B which was planned to use the Taihang engine, it's prototype also have to use AL-31F engines for flight test.

And then an incident happen where mechanical failure caused the left side engine stalled during test flight in mid air. Although the plane was safetly landed with one engine as the heroic pilot kept his calm and accurate judgment of the situation with his swift actions, and 606 insitiute can have the opportunity to find the reasons for the engine failure. But it also mean finalizing test flight of the engine did not pass the test.

This serious incident attracted the head of the central military commission, the General Armaments Department, National defnese and Air Force superiors's attention. A leader from the general armaments department paid a special visit to AVIC 1, and had a short conversation with general manager Liu GaoZhuo. Although the tone of the discussion was very gentle, but the company leadership was in shock to learn that if they were unable to fix and troubleshoot the engine problems quickly, Taihang project would be cancel.

On March-6-2005 Shenyang Aeroengine Research Institute (606 Institute)mobilized a pledge rally for finalizing the design of Taihang engine.Every staff from the 606 institute sign on the pledge to complete the project.On Dec-28-2005,the Taihang engine pass the test in Shenyang Institute of Design smoothly through the finalizing design review, Taiheng finally got the permit to fly the blue sky.

March-2006, Taihang was officially finalized and the model was made public. And the development of Taihnag moved to the new stage of batch production. In the same year, a prototype of J-11B number 04 was installed with Taihang engines. Later that year promotional materials of Taihang engine was shown on the seven Zhuhai Air show for the first time.

The development process of Taihang gone through many hardships, but road of batch production was also full of thorns.

In 2007, The first J-11BS prototype equipped with Taihnag engines successfully complete it's first flight. This model of aircraft's first flight, test flight, finalizing design of the aircraft were all done with Taihang engines. J-11B design was finalized the same year, but prototype 004 which installed with Taihang had a serious accident during flight test. Therefore the original plan to use Taihang engines on J-11B was cancel and change back to use AL-31F instead. In that same year China imported 100 more AL-31FN engines for J-10A/S.
 

JayBird

Junior Member
Part 3 III
In the year 2008, all J-11B/BS installed with Taihang engines were grounded and the engines were sent back to factory for repair. The same year J-10B took first flight without Taihang. At the end of the year, a real model of the Taihang engine was unveiled in Zhuhai airshow. It is worth noting that this engine accessory was installedon the bottom single engine style. Look back now, this should be the improved Taihang prototype.

In 2009, the situation for Taihang engine is not too optimistic, 606 insititue spent most the time researching and troubleshooting last batch of Taihang from last year. It didn't show improvement until the end of the year. And on October 31, J-15 first flight was done with AL-31 and not equipped with Taihang. In the same year, China importaed another 122 AL-31FN engines for J-10A / S series. This year, the Sea Taihang WS-10H research project was initiated.

Part 4 IV.
January 2010, Taihang and the J-11B both won National Science and Technology Progress Award Grand Prize. This Year, factory repaired Taihang re-equipp J-11B / BS and officially inducted in PLAAF and PLANAF. This April, No. 554 J-15 equipped with sea Taihang first flight.

Second half of 2010, another round of mass consolidation happened in LiMing.(That's the engine development and main manufacturing units for engines factory) but fortunately did not affect Taihang production. November, Modified Taihang continue to appear in Zhuhai Air Show, this should be a prototype of the improved Taihang. There also another major event occurred at the end of the year with the first J-20 prototype 2001 high-speed taxiing in Chengdu.2001. But given the Taihang performance in previous few years, it is impossible to use it on J-20's first flight.

2011, J-20 first flight took place on Jan-11-2011. Although everyone wish and hope it was using domestic engines, but like I said before it's impossible giving the track record of Taihang the last few years. China imported another 123 AL-31FN engines in June that year and all delivered by 2013.

June-11, a J-10B with number 1035 equipped with midified Taihang took first flight. November, Shenyang J-16 first prototype number 1601 equipped with the Taihang maiden flight, it might be modified version of Taihang.

2012, with the first few batches of Taihang engines finally in stable production, Taihang officially started mass production.

At this point, the basic Taihang model has matured, but it can only be used on the J-11B/BS, it did not take up the original goal of one engine for two jet mission, that goal may have to wait for the successor/modified Taihang to reach.

By the end of 2014, improved Taihang completed the initial line of life span assessment test and all qualification tests and design finalization. On batch production of improved Taihang started March-2015.

The improved variant of Taihang engine used a lot of new materials, new structures, and new technology. In other word, the high-pressure turbine disk used to made with GH4169 high temperature alloy are now replaced with FGH95 superalloy. Turbine blades are made with DZ125 directionally solidified alloy blade into DD3 single crystal blades, this means that the turbine inlet temperature of the improved Taihang has increased, the thrust has certainly improved as well. Coupled with the new and improved fan. ("A performance-enhancing properties of turbofan engine steady debugging methods," the paper got the aircraft industry awards in 2014, you don't win awards with papers like this unless you get tangible results.) The improved Taihang reaching 14 tons of thrust is entirely possible, we should remember Taihang original design specifications is 132 kN, and 14 tons is only 137.2 kN, therefore it is entirely possible to achieve 14 tons of thrust with all the significant improvements make on the improved Taihang engine.
 

GreenestGDP

Junior Member
Part 3 III ... ...

Part 4 IV.
January 2010, Taihang and the J-11B both won National Science and Technology Progress Award Grand Prize. This Year, factory repaired Taihang re-equipp J-11B / BS and officially inducted in PLAAF and PLANAF. This April, No. 554 J-15 equipped with sea Taihang first flight. ... ... the high-pressure turbine disk used to made with GH4169 high temperature alloy are now replaced with FGH95 superalloy. Turbine blades are made with DZ125 directionally solidified alloy blade into DD3 single crystal blades, this means that the turbine inlet temperature of the improved Taihang has increased, the thrust has certainly improved as well. Coupled with the new and improved fan. ("A performance-enhancing properties of turbofan engine steady debugging methods," the paper got the aircraft industry awards in 2014, you don't win awards with papers like this unless you get tangible results.) ... ...


JayBird, ... thank you so very much for all your continuously and
superb hard working EFFORT,
SWEAT, TIME, and personal SACRIFICE to translate

these wonderful Chinese military articles.

In my mind, because of your overall contributions to SDF,
JayBird, ... ... you are #1 Person / Poster of the year.


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Other readers who agree with the above, please express yourself ... ...
 

JayBird

Junior Member
Thank you for your kind words GreenestGDP, but the original author of the article deserve all the credit. All I did was using online translator to do the work and rearrange some sentences and changed a few words that doesn't make sense.

It's nothing compared to all the long time knowledgeable forum members of SDF who contributed far more than I ever did. I'm just a fanboy who likes to goof around in the fourm most of the time.:D
 
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