China-USA - geopolitics with a long view

Part 1

Many of us get our news from the western media so it's easy to buy into the idea that China is being aggressive and expansionist at the expense of its "terrorized neighbors". Is that true? Could it be that China is simply enhancing its defensive abilities due to lessons learned from its past?

I hope to persuade you of the later so you can see Chinese military actions with more objectivity and less alarmist fear-mongering.



American is not some benevolent leader of the free world™ with Exceptionalism™

"Can China Rise Peacefully?" with Dr. John Mearsheimer
Starting at 17:22 (lasts a few minutes), he debunks the notion that America was some benevolent non-imperialistic power.

His theory is simple. Nations exist in an anarchy, where there is no higher authority like a judge, 911 emergency center, police, etc. It's a dog eat dog world. The name of the game is survival. Since we cannot ascertain another nation's intentions, only their capabilities, we must plan for the worst and be as strong as possible AND prevent other countries from becoming strong.

He backs his case up by citing how USA has behaved since its founding. In part 3, around 19-23 minutes in, he reasons that China will adopt the same theory to be as strong as it can be to survive, which will lead the USA and China into inevitable conflict whether through misunderstanding and/or competition.

It's one of the more reasonable theories I've come across. However, I see it differently than Dr. Mearsheimer.






National security does not explain...




Certain facts he brings up are in fact wrong such as America beating Japan. China and Russia did the vast majority of the dying and fighting, while America supplied Imperial Japan with war making materials until the Pearl Harbor attack. See the book Imperial Cruise , where the Anglo-Americans armed, trained, and encouraged Imperial Japan's militarism across Asia

and "saving the world from communism" (see the book, Killing Hope ).

In fact, when you analyze enough history, a distinct pattern emerges, one that does not fit the democracy (good) vs communism (evil) narrative of the west.

For example, the western powers were grew on imperialism - opium wars in China, British Raj in India, France in Indochina, multiple powers in Africa...Canada, America, Mexico, South America, etc, etc..Hundreds of millions of victims died of innocents died as a result of war, genocide, famine, civil wars, etc. You can read more about the Christian origins here - - that's just the Native Indians experience)

These inconvenient facts are excluded from your education because you wouldn't feel like so exceptional™ anymore and you probably would be far more reluctant to "save the world™". That's why you're indoctrinated from birth. to believe.



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You are taught things such as the west succeeded because of democracy, rule of law, property rights, and other agreeable fiction.

If America (I will not focus on the rest of the west as it takes too long but you can read a quick introduction here - ) cared so much about human rights then it's odd that they would commit so many atrocities throughout the world to "save" people from "evil communism".

Edward Blum's book, Killing Hope , lists dozens of CIA operations across communist nations that resulted in human rights disasters that dwarf the so-called oppression of Chinese dissidents like Liu Xiaobo, who openly call for the overthrow of the CPC (who lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty) and support the invasion of Iraq based on non-existent wmd. He was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.

It's equally odd that USA, a country supposedly founded on democratic ideals would support France to recolonize Vietnam after ww2, or commit genocide across Indochina (Vietnam , Laos (The Most Secret Place On Earth The CIAs Covert War In Laos 2008 ) and Cambodia (Noam Chomsky on CIA Covert Action and the Secret Bombing of Cambodia (1995) ) these two defenseless societies are the top two most bombed nations on earth.)

It was later whitewashed with films like Air America and Rambo 2. Here are some examples...

The Vietnam War, a genocidal and illegal war against innocent people based on the Gulf of Tonkin Lie had "patriotic" films such as Rambo. Now, the Iraq War had similar films like the Hurt Locker and American Sniper. Missing from both these films is context. The war was illegal and the so-called evil Viet Cong and now, the Iraqi "insurgents", were/are merely fighting for their life and protecting their women and children.

What is most important is to compare the reviews to gauge the reception. Remember, these films are both propaganda.

Rambo has mostly positive reviews for turning the aggressors into heroes and the victims into the villains.


American sniper has mostly negative reviews (on the first page - the most widely read) for doing the same.


The media has simply lost its ability to control the narrative.

What you see in the invasion of Iraq is not new. It's just history repeating itself by the same actors with a face-lift. Instead of fighting communism, it's "humanitarian intervention". If in fact, there have been many face lifts

Christianity --> Democracy ---> Foreign aid --> Free Market/globalization ---> NGO like NED --> War on Terror ---> Evil China / Evil Russia

For proof of NED (National Endowment for Democracy) is CIA front see
, which is taken from the book Rogue Nation by Edward Blum

Remarkably, their goals have remained consistent despite their lofty and disarming rhetoric.

Finally, what is driving America and their allies to wage war across the planet?

Western-styled capitalism was founded on war, genocide, slavery, and plunder. It still is, but it's just more covert now. Their actions are whitewashed by hollywood and the media.

For example, the west brags about ending slavery, but what do you think this is?

All diamonds are blood diamonds The truth about the diamond trade


Child Labor and Slavery in the Chocolate Industry








Now you're prepared to understand the real reason communism is demonized.

Western styled capitalism is profits over people.
Communism is people over profits.

Communism fights against capitalism. Both systems are flawed, but I will not debate that here. I just want you to understand why communism is feared. This is why



You couldn't understand this as easily in the past because things have been good for many who live in the west. You know who understands occupy wall street even though they've never been there?

Part 2


China's Militarization Seen Objectively

China's militarization can now be understood clearly behind the veil of the western narrative.

The Pivot to Asia plans to send 60% of USA's military to China. Would such a provocative move be acceptable if China did the same to them? Of course not (see USA's reaction to Russia in Cuba during the Cold War), so why does the west demonize China? It's to craft a narrative to garner public support for its offensive actions which are portrayed as defensive reactions

China is hated for multiple reasons:
1. an alternative to pure capitalism goes against the elites
2. usa wants to suppress strong peers (as per Dr. Mearsheimer)
3. western elites fear Chinese competition - This is not new. The first Chinese in the west suffered massacred, robberies, arson, racist laws. Why? They could work efficiently for less pay. The locals couldn't compete so they cheated with laws and violence instead. Huawei is smeared as untrustworthy yet who is responsible for the Five eyes, NSA, etc? Whose development bank is smeared as lacking "good governance" while a concern world bank is loan sharking developing nations?
4. racism - and )
5. scapegoat for problems at home

What about Chinese "aggression"?

Does the Chinese aggression claim hold water? Based on historical fact, not western fiction, I argue no.

● Until western imperialism nearly killed China, it held nearly zero overseas colonies (Taiwan may be an exception) despite being one of the major great powers.

● Despite Imperial Japanese war crimes, China released Japanese civilians and pow who occupied the mainland.

● When they suffered a population explosion, they imposed the painful one-child policy on itself instead of annexing its neighbors.

● Despite Chinese citizens being murdered by Filipino, the Vietnames, and Myanmar military/civilians - both intentionally and accidentally, China did not retaliate.

● When USA suffered the world financial crisis, China lent it money when it could have just as easily watched it suffer. This was "repaid" with


● Even today, we see China engaging in Africa for trade without neoliberal tendencies that create widespread suffering as exposed by John Perkins in Confessions of an Economic Hit Man

The Dragon's Gift - the real story of China in Africa


Dead Aid - Chinese aid and trade have done more for Africa in ten years than the West did in 100 years (pdf is incomplete)

Development without freedom: How aid underwrites repression in Ethiopia


Foreign Aid: a Trojan horse for Absolute Control


Instead of these truths, the truth ministry puts out...


If you work for a western military in any capacity, seriously think about what you're doing. You're not spreading peace, democracy, defending human rights, or any such fiction. You're part of an imperialist empire that serves the elites - financiers, banks, multinational corporations. If you're Asian, remember the weapons that you help design have been and will be used against you in a future war (eg pivot to Asia)



ps. If you like this, save it, and spread it because in my experience, this will be moderated™ AKA deleted.

pps - Good resources: counterpunch.org, globalresearch.ca, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts - former secretary of treasury under Ronald Reagan, Noam Chomsku, William Engdhal (), youtube com/user/StormCloudsGathering/videos

Well it's called history for a reason, and usually it is NOT pretty.

The Three-body Problem, The Dark Forest, and Death's End, by Cixin Liu

No spoiler here. If you have read them........

( To Whom It May Concern ) / ( To Anyone Who is Reading this Thread ) ... ...

With All Due Respect to Every Reader and Every Nation ... ...

IMHO, ... ...
Firstly, I personally do not know ( counterprime ).
I would like to thank him very much for having the initiative and proactiveness to discuss this openly.
This brewing conflict can not be swept under the rug all the time.

I personally believe this is not a Nation--Bashing thread, at the minimum
-- I personally will try very hard, to prevent this into a Nation--Bashing thread.
And, I hope all the readers will do the same as well.
Thus, please feel free to call me out directly, if I am out of the line.

This is an honest attempt to prevent unnecessary war and conflict,
where everybody will suffer ... directly or indirectly.

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Why ?
Let's be frank and honest ... ...
Because spewing hatred is the best strategy for any presidential candidate,
if he or she wants to gain popularity.

On the present day, political environment in US at this moment,
this a fact that can not be denied.

*** Hard Proof:

Donald who wrote the book ( Think Like a Champion ) dodged the draft 5x times.
Donald almost out--competed Dick Cheney ( also himself a 5x times Draft Dodger ).
Yet, Donald Trump ( the hidden Draft Dodger ) is #1 most popular presidential candidate.

*** Go figure, why is that ??

Think Like a Champion

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IMHO ... ...
The political pendulum is swinging the other direction,
after 8 years of Obama as a president.

For those who think -- I am making things up,
please check the picture and link below to examine all the fact yourself.

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please feel free to call me out and correct me,
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Credible Proofs :

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Anti-China Propaganda.

Since Blackstone is at it again with his China-bashing, I thought I may as well address whatever propaganda that comes up with western sourced facts. If any posters disagree then bring facts.

Part 1

I want to end the Tiananmen Square Massacre propaganda. I don't mind reasonable criticism of the CPC, but some people don't care for facts. They just want to bash China and then tell us how they care about rule of law and human rights while they finance genocide in some far away land while slaughtering Black people who walk "suspicously". And, yes, I can post an entire write up with western sources if anyone wants to go there.

According to the Department of State, The Columbia Journalism Review, and Britain’s Daily Telegraph, the Tiananmen Square Massacre “massacre” never happened. Yet the “massacre” is constantly repeated by western media. This is called propaganda, slander, and libel. They're all crimes committed by "western liberal democracies". Where is the rule of law to punish these liars?

Think about it. Someone was able to photograph "tank man" inside Tiananmen Square, but there are zero photos of a single of the "hundreds (sometimes tens of thousands) of massacres". Does that make sense?

Here is a typical portrayal of the so-called “massacre” that pervade the western media

● China: Address Enduring Legacy of Tiananmen Massacre - YouTube


What the western media shows:

● peaceful protesters

● the famous video or picture of "tank man", a man who stands in front of a tank, and cut away, leaving YOU, the viewer to conclude, "he must have been run over".

● Violence outside Tiananmen Square, where "massacres" of "peaceful protestors" happened





What the western media hides:

● Protesters were allowed to freely protest for two months straight. Remember, Occupy Wall Street? That lasted how many days inside the precious "Western liberal democracy"?

● The president of China meet with the protestors and even made concessions. However, the protestors kept making new demands.

● The army was highly disciplined and restrained

● There were zero deaths inside Tiananmen Square, where the protest was peaceful.

● "Tank man" doesn't get hurt at all, let alone run over.

1989 Raw Video Man vs. Chinese tank Tiananmen Square

● Outside of Tiananmen Square, there were riots in about a dozen cities across China financed by the American CIA.

● The causality figures came entirely outside of Tianamen Square.

● "peaceful protesters" killed dozens to hundreds of heavily armed military, soldier, and police officers. For example, tank operators were beaten and burned alive and PLA tanks getting blown up by IEDs.



Note, even though some of these honest appraisals of the events are right, they still fall prey to western narratives such as “bloody-minded government” like the Columbia Journalism Review expose. He fails to understand that those “oppressed workers” were armed and killing soldiers. The soldiers had to fight back in self-defense – not an act of evil “massacre” or “slaughter”.

The problem is this: as far as can be determined from the available evidence, no one died that night in Tiananmen Square.


all verified eyewitness accounts say that the students who remained in the square when troops arrived were allowed to leave peacefully.


Many victims were shot by soldiers on stretches of Changan Jie, the Avenue of Eternal Peace, about a mile west of the square, and in scattered confrontations in other parts of the city, where, it should be added, a few soldiers were beaten or burned to death by angry workers.


The resilient tale of an early morning Tiananmen massacre stems from several false eyewitness accounts


Most of the hundreds of foreign journalists that night, including me, were in other parts of the city or were removed from the square so that they could not witness the final chapter of the student story.

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The facts of Tiananmen have been known for a long time.

The Myth of Tiananmen : Columbia Journalism Review

The demonization of China was highly effective. Nearly all sectors of U.S. society, including most of the “left,” accepted the imperialist presentation of what happened.

the Chinese government’s official account of the events was immediately dismissed out of hand as false propaganda. China reported that about 300 people had died in clashes on June 4 and that many of the dead were soldiers of the Peoples Liberation Army. China insisted that there was no massacre of students in Tiananmen Square and in fact the soldiers cleared Tiananmen Square of demonstrators without any shooting

The Chinese government also asserted that unarmed soldiers who had entered Tiananmen Square in the two days prior to June 4 were set on fire and lynched with their corpses hung from buses. Other soldiers were incinerated when army vehicles were torched with soldiers unable to evacuate and many others were badly beaten by violent mob attacks.

These accounts were true and well documented. It would not be difficult to imagine how violently the Pentagon and U.S. law enforcement agencies would have reacted if the Occupy movement, for instance, had similarly set soldiers and police on fire, taken their weapons and lynched them when the government was attempting to clear them from public spaces.

In an article on June 5, 1989, the Washington Post described how anti-government fighters had been organized into formations of 100-150 people. They were armed with Molotov cocktails and iron clubs, to meet the PLA who were still unarmed in the days prior to June 4.

What happened in China, what took the lives of government opponents and of soldiers on June 4, was not a massacre of peaceful students but a battle between PLA soldiers and armed detachments from the so-called pro-democracy movement.

Almost every U.S. media outlet reported “many thousands” killed. Many media outlets said as many 8,000 had been slaughtered.

What really happened

For seven weeks leading up to June 4, the Chinese government was extraordinarily restrained in not confronting those who paralyzed the center of China’s central capital area. The Prime Minister met directly with protest leaders and the meeting was broadcast on national television. This did not defuse the situation but rather emboldened the protest leaders who knew that they had the full backing of the United States.

Attempted counter-revolution in China

…the U.S. government was actively involved in promoting the “pro-democracy” protests through an extensive, well-funded, internationally coordinated propaganda machine that pumped out rumors, half-truths and lies from the moment the protests started in mid-April 1989.

The goal of the U.S. government was to carry out regime change in China and overthrow the Communist Party of China which had been the ruling party since the 1949 revolution.

…the best recent example of how such an imperialist destabilization/regime change operation works is revealed in the recent overthrow of the Ukrainian government. Peaceful protests in the downtown square receive international backing, financing and media support from the United States and Western powers; they eventually come under the leadership of armed groups who are hailed as freedom fighters by the Wall Street Journal, FOX News and other media; and finally the government targeted for overthrow by the CIA is fully demonized if it uses police or military forces.

In the case of the “pro-democracy” protests in China in 1989 the U.S. government was attempting to create a civil war. The Voice of America increased its Chinese language broadcasts to 11 hours each day and targeted the broadcast “directly to about 2,000 satellite dishes in China operated mostly by the Peoples Liberation Army.”

In China, the “pro-democracy” protest movement was led by privileged, well-connected students from elite universities who were explicitly calling for the replacement of socialism with capitalism. The leaders were particularly connected to the United States. Of course, thousands of other students who participated in the protests were in the Square because they had grievances against the government.

If counter-revolution were to succeed in China the consequences would be catastrophic for the Chinese people and for China. China would in all likelihood splinter as a nation as happened to the Soviet Union when the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was toppled. The same fate befell the former Yugoslavia. Counter-revolution and dismemberment would hurtle China backwards. It would put the brakes on China’s spectacular peaceful rise out of under-development.

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What Really Happened in Tiananmen Square 25 Years Ago | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Part 2

The so-called Tiananmen Square “Massacre” is one of the most misleading events the US government and the Western media have used to demonize the Chinese government each and every year since 1989. There was ample silent evidence in the images produced by the Western media that told the story of a highly restrained and caring Chinese government facing a protest similar to those in the West at various stages of their economic development. However, the West and anti-communist forces had capitalized on the situation in 1989 to fuel the public’s anger, intending to overthrow a good government.

User Review: Compellingly, he uses western mass media sources to undermine the depiction of events in 1989 at Tiananmen Square (and outside the square) by the same mass media. Chua challenges the fillip for the protests, the depiction of protestors as unarmed, the soldiers as violent, etc. He points to outside instigators and CIA involvement. He also contrasts the restraint shown by the Chinese authorities and military at Tiananmen Square versus the comparatively unrestrained police brutality launched against Occupy protestors.

For those who closely scrutinize the western media, know well the concocting of disinformation to further elitist interests; e.g., the alleged attack on the USS Maine to start the US- Spanish war, the phantom attack at the Bay of Tonkin to attack North Viet Nam, and the claimed but non-existent WMDs to invade Iraq are just a few high profile government-media lies.

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Tiananmen Square "Massacre"? The Power of Words vs. Silent Evidence (The Art of Media Disinformation is Hurting the World and Humanity) (Volume 2): Wei Ling Chua

Note, this cable gets half of it wrong. Remember, the soldiers were fighting back in self-defense after being attacked/set on fire by “peaceful protestors”.

Secret cables from the United States embassy in Beijing have shown there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square when China put down student pro-democracy demonstrations 22 years ago.

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Wikileaks: no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square, cables claim



The Tiananmen Square “Massacre”: A New Look


Let´s Talk About Tiananmen Square, 1989 My Hearsay is Better Than Your | nsnbc international

This all goes to show why Chinese leaders take an exceptionally dim view when the west tries to lecture them about Tiananmen.

As far as Beijing sees it, and they have heaps of proof to support their view, Tiananmen was a CIA planned, financed and organised attempt at regime change. Which they broke up with modest to minimal civilian casualties (I am not counting anyone actively attacking Chinese solders and police as innocent civilians).

When that failed, the west, led by America, vastly exaggerated the casualties, completely distorted what happened, and tried to destroy China with sanctions.

As such, is it any wonder Chinese leaders have absolutely zero time for pretentious politicians and media talking heads trying to seizing the moral high ground exploiting a disaster they created for China in the first place?