ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

thunderchief

Senior Member
Su-24 being armed with Kh-25ML laser guided missiles. These are older missiles with relatively modest range ( 3-10 km) . Still useful against weakly defended targets .

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delft

Brigadier
From The Guardian:
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Gulf states plan military response as Putin raises the stakes in Syria
Russia’s bombing of rebel positions has angered countries in the region that have been trying to oust Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad. Analysts say Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey are now likely to increase military aid to the anti-Assad groups they support

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and
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Sunday 4 October 2015 00.05 BST

Russian fighter jets
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have persuaded western critics to mute their demands for the removal of President Bashar al-Assad, but another group of his opponents sees Moscow’s intervention as more provocative than decisive.

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have quietly, but effectively, channelled funds, weapons and other support to rebel groups making the biggest inroads against the forces from Damascus. In doing so, they are investing heavily in a conflict which they see as part of a wider regional struggle for influence with bitter rival Iran.

In a week when
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made dozens of bombing raids, those countries have made it clear that they remain at least as committed to removing Assad as Moscow is to preserving him.

“There is no future for Assad in Syria,” Saudi foreign minister
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, a few hours before the first Russian bombing sorties began. If that was not blunt enough,
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that if the president did not step down as part of a political transition, his country would embrace a military option, “which also would end with the removal of Bashar al-Assad from power”. With at least 39 civilians reported dead in the
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, the prospect of an escalation between backers of Assad and his opponents is likely to spell more misery for ordinary Syrians.

“The Russian intervention is a massive setback for those states backing the opposition, particularly within the region – Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey – and is likely to elicit a strong response in terms of a counter-escalation,” said Julien Barnes-Dacey, senior policy fellow at the
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As the Syrian civil war has unfolded, Saudi Arabia has been clear about its position, say analysts. “Since the beginning of the uprising in Syria, the view in Riyadh has been that
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must go. There is no indication what-soever that Riyadh will change this position,” said Mohammed Alyahya, associate fellow at the King Faisal Centre for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh.

“What is clear to Riyadh and its regional allies is that the recent Russian and
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will only create a more unstable region and spill more blood,” he said.

Riyadh has focused support on rebels in the south, say analysts, while allies Turkey and Qatar have reportedly backed northern rebels, including conservative Islamist militias such as
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.

That group, in alliance with the al-Qaida affiliate Jabhat al Nusra, recently reached a local ceasefire deal with Assad in the north. Its success in taking on government forces is thought to have been one trigger for the Russian bombing campaign and put them among the jets’ first targets.

“Most probably, the coming efforts will focus on boosting the effectiveness of major coalitions, co-ordination and co-operation between the most influential and effective groups in
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,” said regional analyst Ali Bakeer.

Concerns that Assad’s government could collapse, leaving a dangerous power vacuum, had persuaded the allies to support a push for a political transition as well as backing fighters, but the Russian bombing campaign changed that calculation, he said.

“There is a high-level, very close co-operation and co-ordination between
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, Qatar and Turkey. They are almost on the same page in Syria.”

Turkish support has been hampered by domestic turmoil, as it prepares, in effect, to rerun a controversial election after a
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collapsed. Qatar and Saudi Arabia, however, clearly have the funds, connections and political will to respond to Moscow’s escalation.

Saudi Arabia and
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are already embroiled in an expensive and bloody war in Yemen that may limit both their military and financial resources. They have also so far deferred to western bans on transferring hi-tech weapons – including missiles that could take down aircraft – over fears that they might change hands in the chaos of the war and be used against their makers.

“The uncertain question today is the degree of power combined with efficiency that regional powers will be willing to bring to the table,” said Barnes-Dacey. “Do the Saudis now try to take matters decisively into their hands, including by providing rebels with sophisticated weaponry long denied them?

“The new [Saudi] king [Salman] has shown a willingness to be much more assertive and take measures into the kingdom’s own hands. If the Saudis see the situation slipping out of their hands, and there is a real sense that the Iranians are consolidating their position in Syria, you could see much stronger response.”

That is unlikely to go as far as troops on the ground, however, and not only because so many assets are already tied up in Yemen.

“A Saudi military role would be too much of an escalation,” said analyst
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, author of Isis: Inside the Army of Terror. “It’s seen as far from Syria, not seen as a direct security threat. With Yemen, people have accepted [Saudi] hegemony for years, unlike Syria, where Iran is seen as dominant.

“The best way to respond to the Russian intervention is to engage the rebels more and step up support so they can face down the escalation and create a balance on the ground,” he said. “The Russians will [then] realise there are limits to what they can achieve in Syria, and modify their approach.” But the wider regional struggle for influence between Saudi Arabia and Iran makes it almost impossible for Riyadh to walk away, whatever the cost.

Saudi officials are particularly worried that the Americans might retreat from their strategy of containing Iran, following the
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struck in July to curb Tehran’s nuclear programme in return for lifting international sanctions.

“Tensions really are escalating in the wake of the nuclear deal,” said Jane Kinninmont, a senior research fellow at international thinktank Chatham House. “Saudis feel that the US and the rest of the international community are doing nothing about this, and they are trying to be at the forefront of efforts to contain Iran.”

In this context, there may be a small amount of relief in Riyadh over the Russian role, as stepped-up importance for Moscow could edge out some of the Iranian influence.

“Is there a trade-off here? The more one has Russia, the less one has Iran. I imagine that’s one of the ways Russians are selling the idea to Saudis not to look at this negatively,” said Daniel Levy,
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programme director at the European Council on Foreign Relations.

But, overall, the risks from escalation go beyond Syria, he said. “The degree to which Tehran and Riyadh are now in a confrontation mode across a number of regional hotspots is worrisome,” said Levy. “Who can act now as the de-escalating mediator?

“Americans are not in a position to do that, nor Russians, and Iran and Saudi Arabia are not sufficiently talking to each other … you’re now left with almost no one at senior levels on the respective sides who can engage with each other. This is going to be a dangerous place.”

Additional reporting by Saeed Kamali Dehghan
I suppose the only power with the connections and the weight to mediate is China.
 

janjak desalin

Junior Member
more regional support
Cairo backs Russia’s strikes in Syria
Russia’s intervention in Syria will curtail the spread of terrorism and help deal a fatal blow to Daesh in the war-torn country, Egypt’s Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry has said.
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looks like delft's assessment,
Perhaps they are changing. Sisi has been a frequent visitor to Moscow this year. He got his fighter pilot training near Moscow and in Central Asia so he probably speaks the language quite well.
may have been spot on.
also, for those interested in somewhat detailed and frequently updated plot-map of Russian airstrikes, check out

Russian airstrikes in Syria By @Radicalenzyme
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
I recognized the trucks but I also saw an aircraft coming in to land. Why do you think they are repairing the runway?
A number of AQ groups have been claiming attacks on the Russian base particularly with Grad Rockets.
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BY
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| October 2nd, 2015 | [email protected] |
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Ahrar al Sham, an
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that fights
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, claims to have launched rockets at the Hmeimim (or Hamim) airbase in the Latakia province. Russian forces are stationed there. The group made its latest claim on Twitter earlier today, following up with a photo of a rocket being launched from the back of a truck and a short video purportedly showing the operation. The photo can be seen above. The Long War Journal cannot independently verify what, if any, damage the rockets caused.

This isn’t the first time Ahrar al Sham has claimed attacks on the Russians’ airbase in Syria.

On Sept. 28, Ahrar al Sham
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on its website of rockets being fired at Hmeimim. A member of the group, identified only as a “commander” named “Omar,”
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that the rockets were the first of volleys to come. “Omar”
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(as
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) that Ahrar had seized the Grad rockets from Assad’s military bases. “These are your goods. They have been returned to you,” Omar said of the Grad rockets, which are of Russian origin. The Ahrar al Sham commander promised that “any spot or location where warplanes take off to [strike] civilians directly or indirectly will be targeted.”

Other jihadists have launched rockets at Hmeimim as well. For example, on Sept. 29, the predominantly Uzbek group Katibat al Tawhid wal Jihad (KTJ)
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stationed at the base. KTJ announced that same day that it had
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, al Qaeda’s official branch in Syria.

Ahrar al Sham’s video of today’s rocket launches is just 45 seconds long. The jihadist team responsible is shown at the beginning of the video. A screen shot of these Ahrar al Sham members can be seen below:
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but as you can see in the still from the videos they are using a very light version of the launcher based on a 4x4 truck. this means the effects are limited vs the full BM 21. It could be that these claims have some truth to them but that the limited effects of the rockets were no where near enough to knock out the air base.
In Iraq and Afghanistan It was common from time to time for US Forces to take mortar fire at large bases but they never shut down operations as the effects were limited. and eventually US and NATO forces hardened there base housing and facilities.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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BY
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| October 3rd, 2015 | [email protected] |
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Screenshot from a video showing a training camp ran by the Crimean Jamaat

A small group of mainly Crimean Tartars and other Russian-speaking militants, called the Crimean Jamaat, has reportedly pledged bayah (allegiance) to Al Nusrah Front, al Qaeda’s official branch in Syria. The pledge is said to have happened yesterday according to jihadists connected to Al Nusrah on Twitter. The official social media site of Al Nusrah’s Sayfullah Shishani Brigade, which is largely comprised of Chechens, reported the oath as well.

“Kataib Crimean Tartars under the leadership of Emir Ramadan al Krim [Crimean] pledged allegiance to al Qaeda in Sham and joined the Al Nusrah Front,” a statement on White Minaret, the Sayfullah Shishani Brigade’s social media page, reads. The page also included pictures of the group, which is reportedly based in the province of Hama. It is unclear how many jihadists belong to the Crimean Jamaat.

While it is likely a small group, the Crimean Jamaat did run a training camp in rural Hama Province. Russian speaking militants, as well as local Syrians,
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in a video highlighting the training camp earlier this year. The video also showed Russian-speaking children being trained to fire weapons, including sniper rifles.

The pledge of allegiance to Al Nusrah from the Crimean Jamaat comes just days after the predominantly Uzbek group
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did the same. It also comes just weeks after Jaish al Muhajireen wal Ansar, a group comprised mainly of foreign fighters,
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to Al Nusrah. The ranks of Al Nusrah continue to swell with foreign fighters as it reorganizes and boosts its official footprint.

Photos of the Crimean Jamaat released by White Minaret:

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Children being trained by the group:

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Caleb Weiss is an intern at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and a contributor to The Long War Journal.
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janjak desalin

Junior Member
A number of AQ groups have been claiming attacks on the Russian base particularly with Grad Rockets.[...]
this 40 km radius [GRAD max range] about al Hamim AB compared to a map of areas of control illustrates that any GRAD rocket attacks against the base would have been launched near, at, or beyond their range limit. i illustrate this simply to suggest that any such attacks would probably not be effectively accurate.
40 km about al Hamim AB.png Syria-30-sept-2015-HD.jpg Syria-30-sept-2015-HD copy 3.jpg
 
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delft

Brigadier
Could Russia fly strategic bombers like the Tu-22M Backfire and Tu-160 Blackjack from Russia to Syria and back for large scale carpet bombing? The USAF used B-52s in Afghanistan and Iraq.
What target would usefully be attacked by carpet bombing? Of the Russian aircraft the old Tu-95/142 would be more suitable but still useless.
 
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