ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

The word on BBC Radio 4's today programme is that Obama has said that he will not start a proxy war with Russia over Syria. So there we have it, an effective burn notice for the so called moderate opposition.

Hardly a surprise though and no surprise that the FSA and similar are target no:1.
The US and allies have always wanted Assad out and the current change of mind is simply a pragmatic approach to the reality on the ground (applaudable in its own right) in which Assad is seen as the lesser of the two evils.

The risk; as I am sure that Russia and Syria would see it, would be that any subsequent change to the reality on the ground (Russian coalition defeat of ISIS) could just as easily reverse and at a time when the Russian/Syrians etc will be tired and stretched from a long and hard campaign against ISIS and during which the FSA could be rested and reinforced/requipped and able to restart their campaign from a strong strategic position adjacent to the pro-government heartlands.

No commander worth his salt would leave such a potential threat on his home flank and it makes perfect sense, militarily politically and geographically to hoover up the minnow rebel groups on the periphery, before starting a concerted effort against the main enemy along its full nation wide front and to do so with full strength and without potential distraction/weakness in your rear.

The US, and specifically the Obama administration, deserves more credit than it is given or that it will ever claim, in this situation to keeping the US on the right side of history and keeping its own interests properly prioritized over those of its allies' which are to the US' detriment.

All US allies involved in the region want the US to facilitate a quick overthrow of the Syrian government by Sunni extremist rebels. The question is who will the Sunni extremists target after they win? And after they strengthen even more? While it is tempting among some US and allied circles to think that these extremists can be directed primarily against Iranian, Russian, Chinese, and even Indian targets, there already is the example of 9/11 on how these extremists can get out of control and attack US targets.

The Obama administration did everything it can to maintain a regional balance/stalemate in the Middle East which is realistically the most advantageous circumstance for the US. The situation on the ground, the Saudi and Israeli lobbies among others in the US, make it politically extremely difficult for any US politician, especially a Democrat, to openly do more in the service of US interests.
 
now I read at DefenseOne
US No Longer ‘Allergic’ To Iranian Role in Syrian Solution
October 2, 2015
A former US ambassador to Syria spies a subtle shift in US thinking about a way forward in the wartorn country.

Russia conducted its first airstrikes on Syria
on September 29 after a
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. Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke about the threat posed by the self-proclaimed Islamic State during his
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to the UN General Assembly, but initial reports indicate that the Russian airstrikes did not target Islamic State militants, but rather,
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.
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, director of Rice University’s Baker Institute, says that a broad-based coalition forming against the Islamic State could lay the groundwork for a political transition in which Syrian President Bashar al-Assad could be in place at the beginning, “but not necessarily at the end.” Djerejian, a former U.S. ambassador to Syria, asks, “Can Syria ever be put back together again? Nobody has an answer for that.”

As a longtime observer of the Middle East and a former U.S. ambassador to Syria, how do you think world powers can bring an end to the current horrors in Syria?

There is no easy answer. Assad only controls 20 to 25 percent of the territory—Damascus, Homs, Hama, and the Mediterranean coastline. The other parts of the country are controlled by ISIS, rebel groups, and the
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. The challenge has been exacerbated by the [refugee] outflow. There are some seven million internally displaced Syrians out of a [pre-war population] of twenty-four million people. Another four million are refugees: in Lebanon, there are about a million; in Turkey, approximately two million; in Jordan close to about 800,000, and some in Iraq. Those refugees are a potential source of continuing flows to Europe, because they are desperate.

ISIS is one of the fundamental issues. The other one is the future of the Syrian polity: Can Syria ever be put back together again? Nobody has an answer for that.

Assad’s regime has strong political and military support from Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah. The opposition—the secular groups and some of the Islamist ones, like Jabhat al-Nusra—have been aided by the Gulf states and Turkey. [The United States has] been supporting the secular opposition, but it has proven ineffective. Millions of dollars have been spent and we can only claim about fifty rebel fighters that have been trained by U.S. forces. That’s a real failure in operational terms. Will the conflict go on until all the various parties become so exhausted that they come crawling to the negotiating table? That’s what we saw in the Lebanese civil war.

At the UN General Assembly, Russia and the United States both focused on Syria. Is a compromise on Syria between the two big powers possible?

Early on the Obama administration stated that Assad has to go [because] he is part of the problem, [so he could] not be part of the solution. The administration pointed out that he fired on his own people. In the intervening years, [Assad] has used the air force for really destructive operations against the rebels in the opposition, as well as against a large part of the civilian population.

Putin has a very clear position on Assad and his regime. He thinks that anything to weaken the regime would open the door for ISIS and other radical groups to take over the country. The Russians want to build an anti-ISIS coalition and leave the Assad regime alone. They are seeking U.S. cooperation.

But there is a serious ambiguity in Russia’s tactics and policy. Russia joining an international anti-ISIS coalition is one thing, but if its military actions also target rebel groups, it will be seen primarily as bolstering the weakening Assad regime. This can lead to serious political and even military issues with the United States and the anti-ISIS coalition as a whole.

What is behind Putin’s proposals to use force? His interests in Syria don’t seem to be limited to fighting Islamic State militants.

Russia is upping its military posture in Syria. From Putin’s point of view, the greatest threat is the spread of Islamic radicalism on the southern borders of the Russian Federation. He’s fought two wars in Chechnya, and there’s a radical Islamist movement in Dagestan. He looks at Syria as a potential source of radicalism in his own country. Moscow claims that at least two thousand Russians of various ethnic groups have been recruited by the Islamic State to Iraq and Syria. They can pose an internal terrorist threat within the Russian Federation itself.

The Russians also have a strong interest in maintaining access to the naval facility in [the Syrian coastal city of] Tartus, [Russia’s] only warm-water port in the Mediterranean. It represents the perception of the Russian navy projecting power beyond the Russian Federation’s borders. A change of regime in Damascus could jeopardize Russia’s military and naval presence in Syria.

Russia’s relations with the Ba’athist regime of the Assad family in Damascus date back to the Soviet Union. Given the diminution of Russian influence in the Middle East with the fall of the Soviet Union, Putin sees an interest in reestablishing such influence wherever possible in the region. Syria is a case in point.

But Putin should be wary of what he hopes for. Russian military intervention in Syria could have the unintended consequence of making radical Islamist groups focus on Russia as a prime enemy and target of retaliation. Putin should [also] be reminded of the Soviet experience in Afghanistan, where the mujahedeen drove the Soviet military out of Afghanistan.

Secretary of State John Kerry said that despite harsh words uttered by the Russian and U.S. presidents in their separate UN speeches, if Assad would agree at a future point to step down, then the United States could see some possibility for cooperation with Russia. What do you make of that?

That’s a subtle shift in the American position. When Kofi Annan was the UN mediator [for Syria], he thought there could be no solution unless the major outside players were part of the UN effort, which meant Russia and also Iran. The Obama administration had been allergic to any Iranian involvement and skeptical of Russian involvement, but this week, at the UN, President Obama called for a “
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,” [in which] an international coalition with the United States, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and Europeans would attack ISIS. There’s an opportunity here, because ISIS poses a major threat to every single regime in the Middle East, including Iran.

The trick is how to deal with the Assad question. I see an important shift in the wake of the Iranian nuclear deal. The United States is no longer allergic to an Iranian role. Putin’s discussions with Obama and Kerry’s negotiations with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov were [likely] about that. Some formula can be constructed to build on this universal coalition based on enmity toward ISIS in which perhaps Assad will be in place at the beginning of a political transition, but not necessarily at the end.

Are conditions now more conducive to a negotiated settlement to the civil war?

There is room now for diplomacy. [Iranian] President [Hassan] Rouhani said in his speech at the UN that the nuclear deal is a foundation that can be built on. Then he made the point that the threat of terrorist organizations becoming terrorist states is a real problem in the Middle East. Read: ISIS.

There’s room to work with the Iranians, who have a major say in what happens in Syria, and there’s an opportunity to work with the Russians, who have legitimate concerns in terms of Islamic radicalism. But we have to be wary of Putin playing a shrewd tactical game, establishing military assets in Syria to bolster his negotiating power on any future for Syria. The challenge is great, but here is a possibility for a renewed initiative along the lines of what Annan and [his successor as UN Syria envoy] Lakhdar Brahimi, started at the UN, but with strong international backing.
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janjak desalin

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the times is updating it plot-map of russian airstrikes. two things are immediately obvious
1] russia's primary focus, presently, is on relieving pressure on gov't forces.
2] isil's only link to the outside world is turkey, a nato member/supposedly the 'good guys'.

Tracking the Russian Airstrikes in Syria
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broadsword

Brigadier
Pending NG's Seconds from Disaster to explain to us, I agree that we should hold back judgement. All it takes is fat fingers and complacency and you have the weakest link. I should know because I have been there. Expensive lessons.
 
journalists from The Komsomol Truth :) visited the Latakia air-base, and here's their photo-gallery:
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related picture I found:
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EDIT
this one is even more interesting:
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from the blog:
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Su-34 bombers destroyed an ISIS hardened command centre near Raqqah using a concrete-piercing bomb BETAB-500. The direct hit of the aerial weapon at the mountain facility caused detonation of explosives and multiple fires which completely destroyed the object.
says the description on the youtube page with the video
allegedly from yesterday's attack; now I found the description of that bomb:
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(you can click on "English" on top of that page, and it should auto-translate)
 

delft

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journalists from The Komsomol Truth :) visited the Latakia air-base, and here's their photo-gallery:
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related picture I found:
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EDIT
this one is even more interesting:
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from the blog:
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Building more hard stands for even more aircraft? The airfield doesn't yet offer bunkers to protect aircraft.
 

delft

Brigadier
From The Telegraph:
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Russia's escalating Syria intervention ratchets up anger in Middle East
Vladimir Putin may discover that the trouble with using force to strengthen one’s negotiating position is that other sides follow suit, and risks uniting Sunni opponents in a common cause

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, Middle East Editor

8:27PM BST 03 Oct 2015

The Russian military intervention in Syria has triggered much outrage, always a useful alternative to policy.

Some - the Syrian opposition, the Western allies, and the Gulf Sunni states - are outraged because it gets in the way of their own plans for the country, namely a "transition" away from the Assad regime and a joint effort under US leadership against
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.

Some are outraged that the West is not "joining forces" with the Russians, though this appears to be rather because slogans like "common cause", "overcoming old prejudices" and "fighting terrorism together" give a false appearance of political goodwill than from any constructive principles based on observed reality.

After all, some of those making the call to impose a military solution on Sunni Islamist rebels are the very same people who have sneered for more than a decade at America's failed attempts to bomb Sunni militants into submission across the Middle East and Central Asia.

Beyond the outrage, few are asking whether Russia has a longer-term strategy, other than to give temporary hope to
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. Fewer still ask whether any such strategy will work.

While the Russian air force is undoubtedly better than the regime's, it is not as good as America's, and as conflicts from Yemen to recent events in Iraq have shown, even American air power is of only limited use against a determined insurgency.

Pro-regime sources in Damascus and Lebanon suggest that Russian air power will now be followed by a ground offensive, led certainly by Hizbollah and according to one report by an additional wave of Iranian troops. These will attack the non-Isil rebels in central and north-western Syria that are the main threat, currently, to the Assad regime.

Against an insurgent force that adds up in total to tens of thousands, perhaps 100,000 men, more if the separate tens of thousands of Isil forces are added in, a few hundred Iranians and a few thousand Hizbollah fighters will not be enough to reclaim the large areas of Syria that have fallen out of regime control.

The first aim, then, is most likely to prevent further losses. After that, the Russians and Iranians presumably hope that once they are no longer advancing, Syria’s rebels will once again fall into faction-fighting, extremism and chaos. President Obama and his Gulf allies would then give up on them, and either withdraw support or at least seek a peace deal on terms favourable to Russian and Iranian interests - including the preservation of the regime and even perhaps of Mr Assad himself.

All that, of course, leaves out of consideration the possible response by the regime’s enemies.

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, moved on rebel-held Aleppo, with many expecting it to inflict a decisive victory.

The rebels held out. Their backers in the Gulf and Turkey - with White House approval - sent in some
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and other military kit. It wasn’t much; the first regime advance was stopped with just 50 Konkurs missile systems, according to one rebel source at the time. But it was enough.

What will the equivalent response be now? This is something that Gulf diplomats rarely discuss, even off the record. But there is no reason to think those countries most committed to the rebel cause, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey, are currently in the mood to be anything but bloody-minded.

They have often argued with each other as much as anyone else, rivals for moral leadership of the Sunni world. But now they are presenting a united front.

Last week, a key event took place in the Qatari capital Doha, something that would normally have been of interest only to followers of the intricacies of Middle East politics.

The Saudi ambassador, the Qatari prime minister, and the
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, all appeared alongside each other at a function.

Saudi Arabia has, until this year, been a leading opponent of the Muslim Brotherhood and its brand of Islamist politics, which Qatar has backed. This new rapprochement says one thing: that in the war against Shia Iran and proxies like the Assad regime all old intra-Sunni hatreds, even of political Islam, must be set aside.

Qatar’s British-educated
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put it bluntly in his speech to the United Nations general assembly. He blamed the entire Syrian crisis on the “atrocities” of the regime.

He demanded the world "impose" a solution on Syria that "ended the reign of tyranny". “The question is not whether this is possible, it is possible if there is a will among certain countries," he said.

This Gulf alliance is already fighting Iranian-aligned forces in Yemen. It believes it is winning that war.

In doing so, it is in formal alliance with al-Qaeda's Yemeni arm. It is a development which has caused mutters in Washington but no worse.

There seems no reason to suppose the alliance will not pursue a similar arrangement in Syria: indeed, Qatar is already dealing with Jabhat al-Nusra, the local al-Qaeda affiliate.

Russia may just discover that the trouble with escalating force to strengthen one’s negotiating position is that other sides follow suit.
 

delft

Brigadier
The Telegraph article above shows the leaders of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf countries, the same that sponsored ISIS, united in wanting to increase support for the extremists fighting against Syria while supporting the ineffective bombing of ISIS by US, some of them and several Western European countries. After the total failure of the US effort to organize moderate mercenaries will they now put their full weight behind the extremists? They did that in Afghanistan and got 9/11, and in Libya and got a failed state and the murder of their ambassador. Why can't there be a political solution?
 
now I listened to what this Colonel General had to say yesterday ... now quickly before I forget it :)
  • since September 30, 60 sorties were flown against 50 targets (he said these were ISIL targets, and, to me, he implied all attacks were successful (?))
  • he then highly praised these air-strikes and has said 600 Fighters are on the run to Europe (?)
  • later he mentioned Russians had informed the US (some representative) in Baghdad before the air-strikes, and had suggested to extract any US-related personnel from the area, but were informed there were none there
(sorry if I didn't mention something important)
 
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