ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Jeff Head

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Folks, as I stated in the post above, we do not need to post graphic pictures of death and dismemberment, particularly of children here on SD.

We all know they happen, Some of us have been to areas as they happen and have seen them personally. Some on this forum have lost their own children.

SD is not a shock shop.

We are (mostly) adults, we can be told of what is happening in the world and can appreciate it, without such graphic nature photos being posted here.

If you want a member on the forum to see something like this...kindly PM them either with an explanation and a link, or with an explanation and the photo.

But do not post it on the forum.

Thanks.

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Miragedriver

Brigadier
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War is hell and it has been unleashed in Syria to terrible effect on the lives of its people and its cultural heritage. The bombing was (so far) mainly Assad’s doing and the destruction of ancient sites all ISIS’a doing, and as can be seen below, both sides are quite thorough. Anyone bombing Syria now is mainly facing leftovers, and will presumably transform bigger pieces of rubble into slightly smaller pieces of rubble.

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The Dar-al-Ifta, before and after (the “House of Fatwa Issuance”)


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The Souq Khan al-Wazeer, before and after.


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And finally, the ancient Ummayyad mosque, above pictured in 2012, below in 2013.


Back to bottling my Grenache
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
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I was reading in the Daily Telegraph (UK) that just four years ago in Syria, there were 2 million Christians. Now there here are only 400,000 left. And a city like Aleppo that has the largest Christian population left in the Middle East is currently surrounded by ISIS. I not going to post heart tugging and tear jerking pictures (I am tempted), but I will say that we as people need to help. I have written many of you, my close friends here on SDF, to express my frustration at not knowing what to do. With all the problems we all face every day, including just having the privilege of having a job and feeding our own families.

I know that I’m just one person screaming in the wilderness, but we need to make our voices heard and help these Christians in the Middle East. Just like many of the Iranians that left Iran after the takeover by the Ayatollahs, these Christians in the Middle East, they were the economic backbone of these Middle East nations (Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon). You know, these are the highly educated people. They were the Accountants. They were the Engineers, Lawyers and Doctors. Every one of these Arab Christians I’ve met (that escaped), they had good homes and children in the universities. They are hard working intellectual and educated people that will help our respective nations. We need to do the right thing as humans and help these people from certain death at the hands of ISIS.

Thank you for letting me rant. I just cannot tolerate inhumanity and suffering.



Back to bottling my Grenache
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
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War is hell and it has been unleashed in Syria to terrible effect on the lives of its people and its cultural heritage. The bombing was (so far) mainly Assad’s doing and the destruction of ancient sites all ISIS’a doing, and as can be seen below, both sides are quite thorough. Anyone bombing Syria now is mainly facing leftovers, and will presumably transform bigger pieces of rubble into slightly smaller pieces of rubble.

nCMoicz.jpg

The Dar-al-Ifta, before and after (the “House of Fatwa Issuance”)


ORVs0Mz.jpg

The Souq Khan al-Wazeer, before and after.


9dpaYpj.jpg

And finally, the ancient Ummayyad mosque, above pictured in 2012, below in 2013.


Back to bottling my Grenache

It is truly heart-breaking to see such priceless treasures of history consigned forever to the flames of war.

For all our claimed advancement and civilization, little has changed in terms of power politics in international relations.

The powerful brutalise the weak, the main difference is that whereas past conquerors sort to conquer with their own armies, presently, the top powers seek to instead destroy with unleashed mad dogs they can distance themselves from.

Problem is such mad dogs have zero sense of loyalty, and hate the powers that enpowered, enabled and unleashed them as much, if not more so, than the peoples they are currently brutalising and exterminating.

Anyone who seeks to use such monstrous blunt instruments is playing with fire and courting disaster.
 

delft

Brigadier
PM Cameron said that the UK can accept 20,000 refugees over a period of 5 years time. Over a similar period Lebanon received refugees equal to 20% of its population. The UK with a population of about 60 million should then be able to receive 12 million.
BTW in 1914 the Netherlands received about a million Belgian refugees on a population of about 6.2 million, about 17%.
 
PM Cameron said that the UK can accept 20,000 refugees over a period of 5 years time. ...
... as if he had heard
... I'd suggest everybody who comments on the
Europe Refugee Crisis
to consider if (s)he would've said the same (whatever it is!) if
ten times more; hundred times more
refugees/migrants/displaced persons had been arriving.
 
Looks like the British are being very selective with their targeting for now, focusing only on potential threats to themselves perhaps? The same colonial powers older and newer are now all directly in Syria militarily, will we see Libya redux or something different?
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Crossing a significant threshold in its battle with jihadist groups, Britain announced on Monday that it had conducted an armed drone strike for the first time inside Syria, killing three suspected members of the Islamic State, including two British citizens.

In a statement to Parliament, Prime Minister David Cameron said that a British man, Reyaad Khan, had been identified as a terrorist threat and was killed on Aug. 21 in an operation in which two associates, including another Briton, identified as Ruhul Amin, also died.

Mr. Cameron’s announcement came as France said it would start sending reconnaissance flights over Syria and was considering airstrikes against the Islamic State in Syrian territory.
...

Meanwhile other Western nations speak some sense:
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Sep. 08, 2015 | 06:16 PM
Austria says fight against ISIS needs Assad

Shadia Nasralla| Reuters
TEHRAN: The West should involve Syrian President Bashar Assad in the fight against ISIS, Austria's foreign minister said Tuesday, breaking with the view of most Western powers that say Assad is the source of the problem.

Sebastian Kurz's comments, during a state visit to Iran, reflect what some European diplomats have said privately for months, but they also expose a divide among Western countries on how to deal with Assad and the rise of hardline fighters four years into a war that has killed a quarter of a million and driven 11 million from their homes.

"We need a pragmatic common approach in this respect including the involvement of Assad in the fight against ISIS terror," Kurz told reporters.

"One should not forget the crimes that Assad has committed, but also not forget the pragmatic view of the fact that in this fight we are on the same side."

While the U.S. priority in Syria is battling ISIS, not unseating Assad, Washington has stuck by its position that Assad's treatment of his own people has fueled extremism and that he must go, a view shared by Britain and France.

U.S.-led forces have been bombing ISIS targets in Syria and Iraq for the past year.

Spain's Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia Margallo Monday said negotiations with Assad were necessary to end the war. Some European officials privately advocate talking to his government, and Assad has said Western intelligence officials have visited Damascus.

Austria's Kurz later clarified that he did not see Assad as part of a long-term solution, but that he should take part in any immediate peace talks.

Hassan Rouhani, president of Iran, which, along with Russia, supports Assad, said bringing peace should be the first priority.

French President Francois Hollande Monday repeated his view that "Assad is responsible for the situation in Syria" and must leave power "at some point or another".

Rami Abdulrahman from the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Assad's government, not ISIS, was the biggest problem in Syria.

"How many Syrian children, how many people have died in strikes by the regime's barrel bombs? You want to include a criminal in this? The majority of people in Syria have been killed by the Assad regime," he said.
 

Zool

Junior Member
Sep. 08, 2015 | 06:16 PM
Austria says fight against ISIS needs Assad

Shadia Nasralla| Reuters...

Rami Abdulrahman from the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Assad's government, not ISIS, was the biggest problem in Syria.

"How many Syrian children, how many people have died in strikes by the regime's barrel bombs? You want to include a criminal in this? The majority of people in Syria have been killed by the Assad regime," he said.

I think Kurz views the situation from the perspective of a realist rather than ideologue which I commend, but it was the articles wrap up and quotes from this character that really caught my attention. To say I believe his comments to be misleading would be an understatement... A little research confirmed my opinions of him and his agenda. My real question is why would they include this type of person in any reputable report?

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(I won't include all of the sources I found as wiki provides a reasonable summary):
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) founded in May 2006 is an information office documenting human rights abuses in the Syrian Civil War. Rami Abdulrahman's
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based SOHR has been cited by virtually every western news outlet since the beginning of the uprising.
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After the start of coalition airstrikes against ISIL/ISIS in September 2014 SOHR is frequently quoted by major newsmedia, such as
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and
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about daily numbers of ISIL/ISIS fighters and civilians killed in airstrikes in Syria.

The
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-based SOHR is run out of a two-bedroom terraced home in
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by one person, Rami Abdulrahman,
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a Syrian Sunni Muslim who also runs a clothes shop. After three spells in prison in Syria, Abdulrahman came to Britain in 2000 fearing a longer, fourth jail term.
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New York Times
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in April 2013 describes him being on the phone all day every day with contacts in Syria, and checking all information himself. Born Osama Suleiman, he adopted a pseudonym during his years of activism in Syria, and has used it publicly ever since.
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In a December 2011 interview with
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Abdulrahman said the observatory has a network of 200 people and that six of his sources had been killed. Abdulrahman reports on events in the
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, including the deaths of civilians, rebels and army defectors (whom he calls "martyrs")
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and government soldiers.
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Criticism
SOHR has been accused of selective reporting, covering only violent acts of the government forces against the opposition for the first two years of its existence. Although critics concede that its reports have become less partisan, critics interviewed by
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, the official press agency of the Roman Catholic Pontifical Institute for Foreign Missions, charge that as of 2013 SOHR "continues to defend
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to avoid losing support among rebel forces"
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SOHR's methodology for counting civilian victims has been questioned by Patrick Henningsen on Russia Today
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as the organisation includes opposition combatants among the number of civilian casualties, as long as these are not former members of the military.
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This entire conflict and the one going on in Yemen is a continuation of the Sunni-Shia rivalry. I could understand the policy of arming Saudi and other Sunni factions as a hedge against Iran and it's Shia base up until 2001. But I think that support went overboard as we are now seeing. The Saudi's played their hand very well and are now pushing the advantage versus Shia's in direct conflict.

The time to re-balance, and justly so, would have been after 9/11 (in place of Iraq) but that would have been a major course change conflicting with some other interests... Alas the road not taken...
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I think Kurz views the situation from the perspective of a realist rather than ideologue which I commend, but it was the articles wrap up and quotes from this character that really caught my attention. To say I believe his comments to be misleading would be an understatement... A little research confirmed my opinions of him and his agenda. My real question is why would they include this type of person in any reputable report?

It has been the standard operating procedure of the west since long before the end of the Cold War to fund, promote, direct(?) such ostensibly independent organisations that are trumpeted as the "true voice of the poor oppressed people of XYZ", but which are effectively puppets of western powers.

They are usually controlled through intelligence agencies and/or soft and cuddly sounding "independent" outfits like the National Endowment for Democracy, (which all but boasted of midwifing the Ukraine Maiden Revolution).

Basically one should be vary of any organisation with certain keywords in their name, like "freedom", "democracy", "liberty" etc, organisation truly interested in doing good work for the sake of helping people rather than scoring political points never embellish their names so, and tend to name themselves for the work they want to do, take UNICEF, Red Cross, Red Crescent, MSF etc for example.

Through such puppets, the west could subvert and discredit, all the way up to and including inciting regime change and revolutions in their rivals and foes while maintaining the pretence that they had nothing to do with it.

It is a paper thin façade that anyone could see through, and many, including sitting heads of states, have explicitly stated as such, but their voices and opinions are either suppressed or universally condemned and discredited by the "free" western media.

Rather than ask why they would include the opinion of such blatantly biased outfits and individuals, one should instead ask the question of, since when has the mainstream western media published any report on the countries on their black list and not used such highly biased and often blatantly false opinions to undermine what those governments have said and done?

It's just a modern information warfare trick to allow them to say what they really want without having to support or justify it in any way by having someone else to say it for them instead.
 
that's interesting (I put one part in boldface)
Carlisle: Air Force intel uses ISIS 'moron's' social media posts to target airstrikes
OPSEC isn't the Islamic State group's strong suit.

Airmen at Hurlburt Field, Florida, used social media posts by the insurgent group to track the location of an Islamic State group headquarters building. Twenty-two hours later, three joint direct attack munitions destroyed the target, said Gen. Hawk Carlisle, commander of Air Combat Command, at a June 1 speech in Arlington, Virginia.

"The [airmen are] combing through social media and they see some moron standing at this command," Carlisle said at the speech, which was sponsored by the Air Force Association. "And in some social media, open forum, bragging about command and control capabilities for Da'esh, ISIL, And these guys go 'ah, we got an in.'

"So they do some work, long story short, about 22 hours later through that very building, three JDAMS take that entire building out. Through social media. It was a post on social media. Bombs on target in 22 hours.

"It was incredible work, and incredible airmen doing this sort of thing."

Carlisle's comments came two days before a House Homeland Security Committee hearing on the Islamic State group's use of social media. The group, experts told Congress, has published 1,700 pictures, videos and other publications, reaching up to 200,000 readers on Twitter and other sites. The media are used by "core propagandists" to recruit and, in the case of the airstrike, attempt to show off their ability.

Carlisle used his speech to outline the amount of destruction by the Air Force and coalition aircraft, including 4,200 strikes, dropping 14,000 weapons, resulting in about 13,000 enemy fighters killed. The coalition has destroyed more than 1,000 vehicles and 50 improvised explosive device factories, and most of the "cash cows" bringing money into the group.

"Their best way to make money was oil collection and refining capacity, and we've taken out about 90 percent of that," Carlisle said.

U.S. Central Command has announced a multiple series of airstrikes on targets in the region this week. The most recent round, covering between 8 a.m. on June 3 and 8 a.m. June 4, saw coalition attack, fighter and remotely piloted aircraft conducting 17 airstrikes in Iraq and Syria targeting sites such as fighting positions, excavators, mortar positions and tactical units. Airstrikes included destroying a tactical unit in the Iraqi city of Ramadi, which is controlled by the Islamic State group.

The Air Force has flown constant intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance flights over the battlefield, though the view has been muddy and "being able to identify the enemy is a challenge." So that means the intelligence work done by the Air Force and related agencies has been important in the fight.

"Our ability to change the way they fight and change the way they mass is pretty impressive," Carlisle said.
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