What the Heck?! Thread (Closed)

shen said:

That's not archaeology. That's not good theology either. He is a creationist and claims to have a artifact 140million years old? Break out the pitchfork villagers, we have a heretic here! personally I think this position is more reasonable.

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How old is the Earth? How old is the Universe?
Some faithful Catholics have advanced the theory that the world is 6,000-10,000 years old by adding up all the generations listed in the Bible (the variance because of different interpretations of "begets"). Other faithful Catholics believe scientists that say the earth is about 4 billion years old and that the universe is 13.7 billion years old. They Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) wrote:

"... the progress of thought in the last two decades helps us to grasp anew the inner unity of creation and evolution and of faith and reason. It was a particular characteristic of the 19th century to appreciate the historicity of all things and the fact that they came into existence. It perceived that things that we used to consider as unchanging and immutable were the product of a long process of becoming. This was true not only in the realm of the human but also in that of nature. It became evident that the universe was not something like a huge box into which everything was put in a finished state, but that it was comparable instead to a living, growing tree that gradually lifts its branches higher and higher to the sky." Cardinal Ratzinger,

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, 1986, 1995

The Catholic Church embraces an old earth theory, but it won't ever turn it into a Dogma (necessary belief). We don't even require people to believe the earth is round, even though science has proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt. We don't have to know everything about science to be saved. We simply need to

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I concur with you, but I don’t want to turn this into a theological discussion (we don’t want to be reprimanded by the moderators). However, theology apart if, finding an artifact that “could be” 140 million years old does raise some interesting questions regarding man’s existence. I would indicate that humans with the technology to produce a hammer existed.

I makes you ponder what civilizations existed prior to written history (if any).

Miragedriver said:

If you think that is strange my friend. I came across this archeological find (whether true, or not) that predates the existence of human by 140 million years.

Back to bottling my Grenache

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This is not making sense at all. The iron of the hammer didn't turn into rust over 140 million years? Not only that, the wood handle would have fossilized over the hundred millions of years just like dinosaur bones and plants of the era would have.

Quickie said:

This is not making sense at all. The iron of the hammer didn't turn into rust over 140 million years? Not only that, the wood handle would have fossilized over the hundred millions of years just like dinosaur bones and plants of the era would have.

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Yes. That is why I said in post #1161 “…….finding an artifact that “could be” 140 million years old does raise some interesting questions regarding man’s existence.”

Also the process of petrification is dependent on the soil conditions (i.e. the amount of minerals) and the moisture. The average time is around 100 million years. Carbon dating has its faults and can be inaccurate. However the “handle” did begin to covert to coal.



I’m not saying this is 140 million years old (that is just the age assigned by the carbon dating). It could be 1,400 years old, 14,000 years old of 140,000 years old. What is interesting is the metallurgical content of the hammer also raises questions as to the technology of the maker.

There is just a lot of circumstantial dates given by testing and metallurgical composition that raise many questions as to is origin and involvement in the history of man.

Exclusive: 360 degree view of Catalonia's human towers

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Stunning imagery obtained by The Telegraph shows a complex human tower being built in Catalonia

A group of "human tower" performers have created a spectacular pyramid to celebrate a festival in , balancing on top of each other to form a highly unusual and difficult tower.

The four best teams of "castellers" – or human tower builders – assembled at the weekend in front of the town hall at Vilafranca, to build their towers before a crowd of 10,000 people.


Each construction is awarded points, corresponding to the degree of difficulty Photo: Drew GardnerAnd a 360 degree panoramic image obtained by The Telegraph shows the red-clad Castellers Colla Vella dels Xiquet de Valls – a group from Valls, near Tarragona – constructing a rare structure. The "4-9 clean" human tower is not commonly attempted due to its difficulty, being built of eight levels of people, who stretch 12 metres into the air.

"Other constructions have huge bases, a real solid base," said Michael, a 56-year-old Londoner, who travels to Catalonia most weekends to participate. "That's why the 4-9 is so difficult, because you normally need more support, from more people."

Michael is part of the arch rival green team, the .

"We attempted another, which was two people, eight high. We completed it, but then it collapsed. If we had managed to bring it down safely then we would have won, as it's even more complicated than the 4-9. Some people call it a tradition, but for others it's seen as a competition."



The Catalan festival which has been in existence for more than 200 years Photo: Drew Gardner

Each construction is awarded points, corresponding to the degree of difficulty. On Sunday the four best teams took part, which was unusual, said Michael – and explained why there were such huge crowds. For the championship, held every two years, the 25,000 tickets sell out quickly, he said.

"Castellers" form three definite parts to a castle; the "pinya" or base, the "tronc" or trunk, and the "pom de dalt" – or the crown of the castle.

Children, who weigh less and are more agile, climb to the very top, wearing helmets and supported by the rest of the tower.

The tradition was born in Catalonia at the end of the 18th century in Valls, when rival groups of people – called colles – began to compete in constructing the different kinds of human towers.


Children, who weigh less and are more agile, climb to the very top, wearing helmets and supported by the rest of the tower Photo: Drew GardnerIt is and part of Catalonia's cultural heritage.

But how did a British property developer get involved?
"I like to watch crazy things that crazy people do," said Michael. "So for the past eight years I've been travelling from London for competitions every summer. I'm quite unique. These guys train three times a week, with a performance on Sunday – and 80-90 per cent of them are Catalan.

"But it's a fantastically mixed group – men, women and children. Everybody is important. Some clean the streets, some are unemployed, some multimillionaires.

"Yet at that moment, everyone is focused on building the castle. I don't know any other kind of group activity that is so inclusive, and so special."


Back to bottling my Grenache

The last photo, they are falling down. I hope that no one gets hurt.

^^^ Yeah that doesn't seem very safe. From that height and the mass of people below it looks easy to both hurt someone and get yourself hurt.

Quickie said:

This is not making sense at all. The iron of the hammer didn't turn into rust over 140 million years? Not only that, the wood handle would have fossilized over the hundred millions of years just like dinosaur bones and plants of the era would have.

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I tried search for this article on google news, but could not find anything. Is the youtube video the only source of this "news"?

There is a wikipedia article about it:

I came across an article about the London Hammer. Quite long. If you're interested, here's the link:


part of the article:

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Conclusions
As with all extraordinary claims, the burden of proof is on those making the claims, not on those questioning them. Despite some creationist assertions that the hammer is a dramatic pre-Flood relic, no clear evidence linking the hammer to any ancient formation has been presented. Moreover, the hammer's artistic style and the condition of the handle suggest a historically recent age. It may well have been dropped by a local worker within the last few hundred years, after which dissolved sediment hardened into a concretion around it. Unless Baugh or others can provide rigorous evidence that the hammer was once naturally situated in a pre-Quaternary stratum, it remains merely a curiosity, not a reliable out-of-place artifact

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SteelBird said:

I came across an article about the London Hammer. Quite long. If you're interested, here's the link:

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geology is funny like that. easy to misinterpret based on the observer's preconceived notion. I remember reading about a French cave, which according to the original scientist who studied it represents thousands of years of continuous humanoid habitation. But later study showed that the layers of animal bones and artifacts were actually deposited in the cave by periodic flood. extraordinary claim indeed needs extraordinary proof.