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he shot down the sabre in his Hawker Hunter........

the most famous kill of the Mig 21 in the 1971 war were Four F104 starfighters. in dogfight.

no Mig 21 was lost to the Starfighter in that war.


the only Mig 21 lost in Air Combat in the '71 war was shot down by an F-86 Sabre;)




imagine what would happen if you use it as a trainer for new pilots.............
exactly what the Indian Airforce did,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
it was one bad decision, lots of pilots died.
there was a time a few years when one heard of a Mig 21 crash almost every month in the newspapers. the situation improved once the trainers started arriving in numbers.

as the wg cdr. said

Dave Sutton who owns a Mig 17, I believe a Polish version, says the Chinese Mig-17 is the pick of the litter, and the upgraded wing of the Mig-17 compared to the Mig 15 eliminates many of 15s very bad habits, as the 15 was prone to very bad manners at high gs, and high angles of attack.

Of the Mig-21 he states it is as you know an entirely different beast, it is the analog of the F-104. The flying characteristics are fairly "straightforward", but I do NOT consider them pleasant to fly! the pilot really works, and the thing is just NOT happy below Mach 1. Look at the wing loading and you'll see why? It has very short range, and is basically in a fuel emergency as soon as you start it?
 

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Dave Sutton who owns a Mig 17, I believe a Polish version, says the Chinese Mig-17 is the pick of the litter, and the upgraded wing of the Mig-17 compared to the Mig 15 eliminates many of 15s very bad habits, as the 15 was prone to very bad manners at high gs, and high angles of attack.

Of the Mig-21 he states it is as you know an entirely different beast, it is the analog of the F-104. The flying characteristics are fairly "straightforward", but I do NOT consider them pleasant to fly! the pilot really works, and the thing is just NOT happy below Mach 1. Look at the wing loading and you'll see why? It has very short range, and is basically in a fuel emergency as soon as you start it?

Dave is a former NASA test pilot, he was very surprised by the much higher quality of the Chinese Mig 17s as opposed to those of the Soviet block, the reason I continue to maintain the J-15 is a very superior Flanker. You can tell by looking at the Mig-21 that it is the epitome of a "lead sled", like the 104, the secret of the 21s speed is small wing and low drag, two things which will literally "kill" you below 350 to 400 knts.
When you begin to pull and push and fight the airplane, your mind has to be out of the cockpit, flying the airplane must be intuitive, most aircraft will begin to complain, with buffeting and vibration, moving to heavy buffeting if you continue to pull and abuse it, these characteristics warn you to ease up.
At some point people began to understand that even a small wing can be tailored to produce more lift, at lower air speed with leading edge slats or flaps, a notch of maneuvering flaps and vents or blown flaps gave the airplane some semblance of charity. The Mitsubishi MU-2 had full span Fowler flaps, NO ailerons, very large Tip Tanks, and spoilers for roll control. Very fast, hauls lots of cargo in a spacious cabin, but NOT a happy airplane below 140 knots? I lost my best friend one night after he had lost an engine going into Chicago Midway, after the aircraft was repaired and a new engine installed, he was killed on his first departure from Midway with a combination of nasty weather, and nasty little Mitsubishi?? A high crosswind, very poor roll control below 105 knots, heavy airplane, and short runway, and he never made it off the runway, and yes the Mitsubishi has a very poor reputation, those reputations are "earned" bro Aksha, as most pilots love their airplanes. The FAA even made the MU-2 go through parts of the certification process again, but like the Mig-21, that's the nature of the beast?
That my brother is one reason the F-15s, Mig-29s, SU-27s, F-18s,and F-22s, are what I would call "happy airplanes", and they have a very loyal following because they are much more charitable in the handling dept!
 

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When you begin to pull and push and fight the airplane, your mind has to be out of the cockpit, flying the airplane must be intuitive, most aircraft will begin to complain, with buffeting and vibration, moving to heavy buffeting if you continue to pull and abuse it, these characteristics warn you to ease up.
At some point people began to understand that even a small wing can be tailored to produce more lift, at lower air speed with leading edge slats or flaps, a notch of maneuvering flaps and vents or blown flaps gave the airplane some semblance of charity. The Mitsubishi MU-2 had full span Fowler flaps, NO ailerons, very large Tip Tanks, and spoilers for roll control. Very fast, hauls lots of cargo in a spacious cabin, but NOT a happy airplane below 140 knots? I lost my best friend one night after he had lost an engine going into Chicago Midway, after the aircraft was repaired and a new engine installed, he was killed on his first departure from Midway with a combination of nasty weather, and nasty little Mitsubishi?? A high crosswind, very poor roll control below 105 knots, heavy airplane, and short runway, and he never made it off the runway, and yes the Mitsubishi has a very poor reputation, those reputations are "earned" bro Aksha, as most pilots love their airplanes. The FAA even made the MU-2 go through parts of the certification process again, but like the Mig-21, that's the nature of the beast?

Although off topic, for the reputation of the Mitsubishi MU-2;

Safety concerns
Concerns have been raised about safety; there have been 330 fatalities from MU-2 crashes. As of October 2005, the
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(FAA) has begun a safety evaluation of the aircraft and decided that the aircraft has met its certification requirements - it is safe when operated by properly trained pilots who operate properly maintained aircraft. The FAA is in the process of mandating
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specific to the MU-2 as it has in the past for other aircraft. When such mandated training was required outside of the U.S. the MU-2 accident record was vastly improved.

Because the MU-2 offers very high performance at a relatively low cost, some of its operators lack sufficient training and experience for such an advanced aircraft.

A design feature of the MU-2 is its high cruise speed while having a low landing speed. This is accomplished by using full-span, double-slotted
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of the wing. These flaps give the MU-2 a wing area comparable to a
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in landing configuration while having a wing area comparable to a light jet while in cruise mode. The full-span flaps meant that over-wing
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. These spoilers are highly effective, even when the MU-2 wing is stalled. Some fatal accidents have occurred because normal engine-out procedures for light twin aircraft are not effective when flying the MU-2. The commonly taught procedure of reducing flap following an engine failure on take off leads to a critical reduction in lift in the MU-2 due to the highly effective double-slotted flaps. When pilots were taught to retain take-off flap and to reduce climb rate in the event of an engine failure, MU-2 accident rates were reduced to almost nil.

From an FAA press release:

The FAA began an aggressive safety evaluation in July 2005. The evaluation is performing a detailed review of accidents, incidents, airworthiness directives, service difficulty reports, safety recommendations and safety reports. It also is examining pilot training requirements, the history of the aircraft's commercial operators and possible engine problems. The goal is to identify the root causes of MU-2 accidents and incidents and determine what, if any, additional safety actions are needed.
In early 2008, the FAA issued a Special Federal Air Regulation (SFAR) directed at MU-2B operations. Pilots flying this aircraft after that date (current MU-2 pilots would have a year to come into compliance) were required to receive type-specific initial training, as well as recurrent training. It also required that a fully functional
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be available for single-pilot operations, and that FAA-approved checklists and operating manuals be on board at all times. Also unusual for this SFAR, pilot experience in other aircraft types cannot be used to comply with MU-2 operational requirements - for instance, the requirement to perform landings within the preceding 90 calendar days before carrying passengers is altered by this SFAR to require those landings be made in the MU-2.

As of Nov. 21st, 2013 there have been only 2 fatal accidents involving the MU-2 since the FAA SFAR (Title 14; Part 91, SFAR Number 108) was implemented.
 

aksha

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2'nd military sattelite successfully launched in orbit,
last time we had to use a french rocket,
but now the GSLV is behaving itself, now that the russian engines have been replaced by an indegenous engine.
so this time we did it by ourselves


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India’s Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle has successfully deployed a communications satellite Thursday, with the rocket’s ninth flight lofting the GSAT-6 spacecraft. The launch was on schedule at 16:52 local time (11:22 UTC) with the launch taking place from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre on Sriharikota Island.

ISRO Launch:

The ninth flight for the Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV) across its Mark I and II variants, Thursday’s launch was conducted by the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO).

First flown in April 2001, the GSLV has had something of a troubled history; of its eight launches to date, three completed their missions successfully, one reached a lower-than-planned orbit which was corrected at the expense of several years’ operational life for its payload, one reached an unusable low orbit that could not be corrected and three failed to achieve orbit altogether.

Following the success of the previous launch – which carried the GSAT-14 spacecraft to orbit in January 2014 – ISRO was hoping for the GSLV’s first back-to-back successes since the type’s second and third flights in 2003 and 2004 respectively. That proved to be the case.

The GSLV’s Mark I and II configurations differ in that the Mark I uses a third stage powered by a Russian-built engine, while the Mark II introduces a replacement using Indian components


A third rocket, the GSLV Mark III, made its maiden flight last December. However, this is essentially a new rocket sharing little more than a name with its predecessors.

The payload of Thursday’s launch, GSAT-6, is a 2,117-kilogram (4,667 lb) communications satellite constructed by ISRO around the I-2K satellite bus.

Designed for nine to twelve years of service, the satellite carries an 80-centimetre (2.6 ft) C-band antenna for providing a single fixed beam and a six metre (16-foot) deployable antenna that will facilitate five S-band spot beams. Electrical power comes from a pair of solar arrays generating 3.1 kilowatts for the spacecraft’s systems.

Following launch the spacecraft will make use of a liquid bipropellant apogee motor, fuelled by monomethylhydrazine and mixed oxides of nitrogen, to achieve geostationary orbit where it will be operated at a longitude of 83 degrees east. According to reports the satellite will most likely be used to relay military communications.

Ahead of the launch, which took place from the Second Launch Pad at the Satish Dhawan Space Centre, assembly of the rocket and payload integration took place vertically away from the launch pad in the centre’s vehicle assembly building. The rocket was moved to the launch pad atop a mobile platform on Saturday 22 August.

Thursday’s launch was the fifteenth from the Second Pad – one of two complexes that India’s GSLV and PSLV rockets can fly from along with the nearby First Launch Pad.

Since the completion of the second pad in 2005, the GSLV has flown only from the newer pad with the PSLV launching from whichever is available for it. Past launches from the second pad have included nine PSLVs, five GSLVs, and a single suborbital launch of the GSLV Mark III last December.

The GSLV that deployed GSAT-6 was a Mark II vehicle, featuring India’s indigenous cryogenic upper stage in place of the Russian-engined version used on the Mark I.

Thursday’s launch was the third flight of the Mark II GSLV, whose maiden flight was the unsuccessful attempt to orbit GSAT-4 in 2010, but which has achieved success with the more recent launch of GSAT-14 in 2014. The serial number of the rocket which will be used for the GSAT-6 mission is GSLV-D6.

The first stage of the GSLV consists of four L40-H strap-on liquid rocket motors clustered around a solid-fuel core stage powered by an S139 motor.

Each powered by a Vikas liquid rocket motor burning 42.6 tonnes (41.9 Imperial tons, 47.0 US tons) of fuel, the strap-ons make use of a mixture of unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine and hydrazine hydrate, in a ratio of three parts to one, oxidised by dinitrogen tetroxide.

The four strap-on motors ignited around 4.8 seconds in advance of liftoff, with the solid-fuelled core igniting once the countdown reached zero.

The first stage core burned for one minute and forty-six seconds before depleting its hydroxyl-terminated polybutadiene (HTPB) fuel. After this, thrust continued to be generated by the four strap-on motors until their shutdown two minutes and 29 seconds into the mission.

Half a second after cutoff, the second stage separated from the spent first. Ignition of the second stage’s Vikas engine occurred about another half a second after staging.

Separation of the payload fairing from the nose of the rocket occurred three minutes and fifty seconds after launch, with the rocket at an altitude of approximately 115.45 kilometres.

The GSLV’s second stage completed its two-minute, 40-second burn at the four minute and forty-nine second mark in the mission. Separating four seconds after cutoff, the spent stage made way for the third stage to begin its burn.

Powered by a single cryogenic engine fuelled by liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, the third stage fired for two seconds short of twelve minutes to raise GSAT-6 into its targeted deployment orbit.
Spacecraft separation occurred twelve seconds after the end of the GSLV’s powered flight, at 17 minutes and four seconds mission elapsed time.

Thursday’s launch was aiming for a geosynchronous transfer orbit with a perigee of 170 kilometres (106 miles, 91.8 nautical miles) an apogee of 35,975 kilometres (22354 miles, 19425 nautical miles) and 19.95 degrees inclination.

India’s third orbital launch of 2015 – following PSLV missions in March and July – Thursday’s launch was the first and only planned GSLV launch of 2015.

The rocket is next expected to fly in 2016 carrying the GSAT-9 spacecraft. Before then ISRO will launch several
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, with the smaller rocket’s next launch currently slated to carry the AstroSat-1 astronomy spacecraft and several smaller payloads at the end of September.

The GSAT-6 launch was the forty-second launch that will attempt to achieve orbit this year – a number which includes the
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in May and June that failed to achieve orbit, the April
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which nonetheless reached orbit, and the
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which briefly attained orbit following a successful suborbital primary mission.
 
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Although off topic, for the reputation of the Mitsubishi MU-2;
Exactly so, the only thing I would dispute from personal experience is that those spoilers are "highly effective", below 120 knts the aircraft is very "sluggish" in the roll axis, that is largely due to the Tip tanks which do not always feed evenly, and "any" imbalance in the tips causes you to have to drag a spoiler? In addition once you make an aggressive roll correction due to gusts, that particular rolling moment is difficult to "arrest", so it is very easy to create a PIO where you are "chasing" the aircraft, the Cessna 310 with the large "Tuna" tips is also guilty of this type of behavior???

Oh, and very nice accurate response Sam, very to the point, I just have been there and done that in the real world, I LOVE the MU-2, and I would love to have one to "play" with? lightly loaded, it is a hot-rod, it is a very serious airplane however at night and in "ice", done that too! I was the FO however and not the AC.
I will say that once I figured out how to balance the tip tanks, and trim the aircraft in all three axis, it is a very sweet airplane, and my last trip I hand flew it all the way home. BUT, if it is at all out of trim, she is a nasty old bag who WILL eat your lunch, that is why an auto-pilot is a go-no go item for single pilot operations, the Mig 21 has many of these same characteristics, and is NOT a happy airplane once below about 250 knts, small wing, heavy airplane, why I brought up the comparison to begin with.
 

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India can manufacture 160 out of the 200 Kamov Ka-226T Light Utility Helicopters -- which will eventually replace the vintage Cheetah and Chetak choppers -- while the rest will be made in Russia, the CEO of a state-run business and manufacturing conglomerate here has said.


Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Russian state-run business and manufacturing conglomerate Rostec Corporation, said under the agreement reached between Russia and India on manufacturing 200 KA226T helicopters, New Delhi will be free to build and export the aircraft to other countries.


This is considered a major step forward towards realisation of the 'Make in India' campaign of Prime Minister Narendra Modi which is being seen with keen interest here.

Chemezov said under the helicopter manufacturing project, the first 40 will be produced in Russia and the rest will be made in India with transfer of technology and licence for production.


State-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd is a "front-runner" for partnering with Russia for the manufacture of Kamov Ka-226T helicopters -- which will eventually replace the vintage Cheetah and Chetak choppers -- under the 'Make in India' initiative.


The Russian offer to build the Light Utility Helicopters (LUH) in India received clearance in May from the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC).


"Talks are on to identify a partner and it is up to India to choose a partner," Chemezov told international media on the sidelines of Moscow Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS), 2015, an aero show and aviation exposition.


There were talks that apart from HAL, Anil Ambani group was also interested in partnering in the exercise.


Indian Ambassador to Russia P S Raghavan had recently told PTI that defence cooperation between the two countries continues to be vibrant despite India buying or proposing to buy military equipment from other countires including France from which it intends to procure Rafale fighter jets.


Chemezov said work on building Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) was also on the right track.

The two countries had signed strategic partnership agreement during President Vladimir Putin's India visit in 2000.


Chemezov said talks were in progress for negotiating ship and submarine building and creating service centres to cater to the need for maintenance of equipment already supplied to India.
 

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French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian will visit India next week during which a government- to-government framework agreement for the 36 Rafale fighter jets is likely to be signed, which will pave the way for inking of the final contract.

Defence sources said Drian will arrive here on Tuesday and is scheduled to meet the top leadership.


The visit comes amid a deadlock in the talks for the fighter jets over the issues of off-set, tweaking of weaponry technology among others.


The sources said discussions were held at the "highest level" on both sides to get over the roadblocks.


"One of the parties had to relent. The French have agreed to the Indian conditions," one of the sources told PTI.

It is expected that if all goes well, the contract for the 36 Rafales will be inked soon, which will come as a huge relief to the Indian Air Force which has been eyeing the aircraft for over a decade.


India's insistence on 50 per cent off-set clause, tweaking of weaponry technology and plans to set up two bases for Rafale fighter jets were some of the issues which had cropped up during the recent talks that began after Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced the decision to acquire 36 Rafales jets during his trip to France in April.


The announcement had come as a boost for the modernisation plan of IAF as the original deal for 126 Rafale jets through a tendering process was stuck for years. India has constituted a committee headed by Air Marshal SBP Sinha to hold negotiations with France.


France was offering the Rafale jets at almost the same price its Air Force is buying it from the original manufacturer Dassault Aviation.
 

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Russia banks on the Narendra Modi Government in India to support it during "these testing times" of Russia being put under sanctions by the US and European Union, like the way Russia supported India when the latter faced sanctions from the west, Sergev Chemezov, CEO of Russia's biggest and government-owned defence company, Rostec, has said.

Calling Modi's 'Make in India' program as a "correct decision" which Russia supports, Chemezov told ET that India was Russia's number one partner followed by China. Russia is facing a testing time in face of US and EU sanctions due to annexation of Crimea from Ukraine.


"We are trying to work with other partners - India and China. Regarding India, you have survived a number of years in sanctions - our corporations helped you always. I hope that in these years (when Russia faces sanctions), India will not isolate (us) and give us help," Chemezov has told ET in Moscow.

Over 200 KA-226T helicopters are expected to be produced jointly by Russia and India -- the first major defence project under Modi's 'Make In India' programme though both countries are still to sign the final contract.


Help Russia during testing time of sanctions, Rostec appeals to Modi government


India's Defence Acquisition Council approved the project in May. Victor Kladov, Head, International Cooperation, Rostec said they hoped to finalise its Indian partner for the project and complete the process to sign this deal with India "by the end of this year" as the negotiations were "in their final stage" and said "decisions were being made faster" in India since the new government has taken over. "PM Modi's 'Make In India' scheme is the current worldwide trend and we are coming in line with it," Kladov has told ET.

"When Indian PM Modi visited our stand in Bengaluru during the AeroIndia show earlier this year, we explained that we are ready to produce KA-226T choppers in India. He asked why so slow about the project - we replied saying we have been waiting for the defence ministry decision for 4 years - they declared tender, cancelled it, they declared new tender, again cancelled it and then readjusted their plans. So changing of policy by acquiring agency derailed and delayed in many ways. No at least we know the trend - Make in India. When PM Modi declares Make In India, it comes in line with the trend worldwide -- this is the current trend worldwide, nobody is interested in just buying or selling," Victor Kladov of Rostec has told ET.

Rostec CEO Sergev Chemezov said Russia has offered its comments to India that it was ready to work both with HAL and a company in the private sector for co-production of the KA-226 helicopters. "It is up to India to which company to choose. We are ready to work with both companies," Chemezov said.

Kladov added that Russia knows India has plans to buy more MI-17 "and we are looking forward to negotiations" on it.

During the visit of Russian President Vladmir V. Putin to India last December, Modi had said Russia was and will remain India's "primary defence supplier". India has however been pursuing defence deals with other countries as well - including the recent decision to buy Rafale fighter aircraft from France - leading to a perception that India's defence relations with Russia were getting diluted.

(The writer is visiting Russia on the invitation of Rostec)
 

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Indian Warships Enter Iranian Port Bandar-e-Abbas

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Two Indian warships entered an Iranian port on Thursday as part of a “goodwill visit to strengthen the bilateral relations” between the two countries, the Indian government said on Friday.

The ships, INS Betwa and INS Beas, docked at Bandar-e-Abbas port for a five-day stay in Iran, according to the India Ministry of Defense. They are scheduled to undertake various professional interactions with their counterparts in the Iranian Navy, including exercises at sea.

"It has been India's national objective to ensure a secure and stable regional environment, which is conducive for economic and social development not just at home, but also in immediate and extended neighborhood," the Defense Ministry said in a
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"The Indian Navy, while shouldering its security responsibilities, is committed to these objectives and has been contributing towards humanitarian assistance, capacity building and capability enhancement of friendly foreign countries when so needed."

The visit comes days after an Indian warship anchored at Israel's Haifa port.

The guided missile frigates are about 400 feet long, displace 3,600 tons and are capable of operating at extended ranges, with speeds up to 30 knots, the defense ministry said. They have a "state-of-the-art" sensor suites and an "impressive" weapons package, including long range surface-to-surface missiles and anti-missile defense systems, the ministry added.

Iran and India have a relationship that is "centuries old," the release said, adding that the two nations currently cooperate in the commerce, energy and education industries. Those ties have been further strengthened by cultural exchanges, commercial interactions and bilateral meetings and high-profile visits, the ministry added.

India is among the countries that have expressed interest in investing in Iran since Tehran struck a deal with world powers last month to limit its nuclear work in return for relief from economic sanctions.

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Naval Today said:
Indian Navy’s warship INS Trikand entered port at Valencia, Spain, today for a three-day visit.

The ship will engage with the Spanish Navy during its stay in the country.

INS Trikand, commanded by Captain Vinay Kalia, is part of the Indian Navy’s Western Fleet and is under the operational command of the Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Western Naval Command, with its Headquarters at Mumbai.
The six Talwar class Frigates are very capable vessels. The Trikand is the newest, commissioned in 2013.

I believe India is going to buy three more.
 
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