Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

balance

Junior Member
getting way off topic.. even if by some chance someone did noticed direction change does it matter? that person is no longer here.
The only way this would be remotely useful is they call someone on land and give a step by step narration of course changes, airspeed, a;titude changes etc and those are recorded... and the odds of that happening is probably non existent lol

Well, if somebody detects a direction change, he can talk about it with other passengers. If they get into an agreement that something's fishy is going on, they can pressure the crew and break into the pilot's room. At least, there is some pressure/threats you can apply. Of course, that doesn't guarantee anything, but doing nothing is not an option.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Well, if somebody detects a direction change, he can talk about it with other passengers. If they get into an agreement that something's fishy is going on, they can pressure the crew and break into the pilot's room. At least, there is some pressure/threats you can apply. Of course, that doesn't guarantee anything, but doing nothing is not an option.
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Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
I think he is saying that if a few passengers think the aircraft has changed direction and not flying in the right direction, that they could complain and get results, or an explanation so satisfy their concerns, or escalate up to storming the cockpit.

That's what I think he is saying.

Only problems are:

1) If there is an emergency reason for a change, the captain will ultimately announce it, and such antics will only make things worse.

2) If the aircraft is just making normal maneuvers, such threats will result in the aircraft diverting and the passengers being taken off for questioning.

3) If it is a terror situation, the terrorists will have locked the now strengthened doors and the passengers will never get in there.

Such a scenario may work if there are numerous terrorists involved in a take over like there were on Flight 93 on 911...but would probably invariably result in the crash of the aircraft as it did then when the passengers were in the process of overpowering the terrorists and the terrorists dove the aircraft into the ground..
 
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kwaigonegin

Colonel
I think he is saying that of a few passengers think the aircraft has changed direction and not flying in the right direction, that they could complain and get results, or an explanation so satisfy their concerns, or escalate up to storming the cockpit.

That's what I think he is saying.

Only problems are:

1) If there is an emergency reason for a change, the captain will ultimately announce it, and such antics will only make things worse.

2) If the aircraft is just making normal maneuvers, such threats will result in the aircraft diverting and the passengers being taken off for questioning.

3) If it is a terror situation, the terrorists will have locked the now strengthened doors and the passengers will never get in there.

Such a scenario may work if there are numerous terrorists involved in a take over like there were on Flight 93 on 911...but would probably invariably result in the crash of the aircraft as it did then when the passengers were in the process of overpowering the terrorists and the terrorists dove the aircraft into the ground..

yes, I understand what balance was saying however I was just wondering what all that has anything to do with MH370 .. ;)

The fact is regardless of who did or didn't do what on that fateful flight, they are all gone now so it's all moot at this time.

Like I said in my previous point the ONLY thing that may be relevant in regards to that is whatever actions taken by the passengers or crew were somehow transmitted, captured and recorded by a third party.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
yes, I understand what balance was saying however I was just wondering what all that has anything to do with MH370 .. ;)

The fact is regardless of who did or didn't do what on that fateful flight, they are all gone now so it's all moot at this time.

Like I said in my previous point the ONLY thing that may be relevant in regards to that is whatever actions taken by the passengers or crew were somehow captured and recorded by a third party.
Yes...they are all long since gone. Within 16 or so hours of the aircraft going missing.

If they ever find the aircraft...could they find cell phones and the black boxes and get some info off of them? It is possible.

But they are a long way away from finding the aircraft and those things...and may well never find them.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Yes...they are all long since gone. Within 16 or so hours of the aircraft going missing.

If they ever find the aircraft...could they find cell phones and the black boxes and get some info off of them? It is possible.

But they are a long way away from finding the aircraft and those things...and may well never find them.

One can hope.. at least in the case of UA 93 there were phone calls by multiple passengers and crew that were transmitted and verified of hijacking, situation on board, their intentions of takeover etc.

In the case of MH 370 there is nothing of that sort. As far as I know there were ZERO communication of that sort from either passengers or crew to the ground in terms of flight change, environmental conditions etc.. ZERO.

Heck no even a simple 'Hi I'm going to China' etc etc to any love ones.

The plane gone 100% dark after passing the last verifiable waypoint.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
One can hope.. at least in the case of UA 93 there were phone calls by multiple passengers and crew that were transmitted and verified of hijacking, situation on board, their intentions of takeover etc.

In the case of MH 370 there is nothing of that sort. As far as I know there were ZERO communication of that sort from either passengers or crew to the ground in terms of flight change, environmental conditions etc.. ZERO.

Heck no even a simple 'Hi I'm going to China' etc etc to any love ones.

The plane gone 100% dark after passing the last verifiable waypoint.
Well...it was basically a red-eye flight. Took off at 00:42 from Malaysia so I imagine that very quickly most passengers were sleeping or sitting quietly. By the time the aircraft was out to sea, there would not have really been anything to see out the window (and really would not have been once they took off and got away form land).

The final voice contact from the Captain occurred at 01:19, 37 minutes into the flight after he had reached and was cruising at the 35,000 ft cruise altitude.

Sometime before 02:03 the official satellite communication link is turned off or otherwise lost (this is NOT the hourly handshake, which continued on)..

By 02:18, Malaysia Airlines Operations Center indicated that it had signals from MH370 indicating it was in Cambodian airspace...where it is not supposed to be. So by that time, the course had certainly changed. But this is now 1 hour and 36 minutes into the flight...very early in the morning and the flight, over the sea, is probably not somewhere where passengers would be unduly alarmed or even wondering.

I believe by that time, whatever untoward thing that happened to the aircraft (ie. hijacking and changing course) had already happened.

Were the rest of the crew or any of the passengers aware of it? We just do not know.

Were they incapacitated somehow? Pure speculation. We just do not know.

At 02:22 the last primary radar contact with the aircraft (from the Malaysian military) was lost.

After this point, outside of the hourly handshakes that were later talked about and used to try and triangulate where the aircraft was, there was no further indication from MH370.

At 02:39 a ground to aircraft telephone call is attempted to the aircraft...but it goes unanswered.

At 06:30, the aircraft missed its landing in Beijing.

At 07:24, Malaysia Airlines officially announced the aircraft as missing.

At 08:11 the aircraft had its last full satellite handshake.

At 08:19 the aircraft sent a "log on request" to the satellite, but no handshake occurred.

Some investigators think this last thing happened as the plane ran out of fuel, before emergency generators kicked, and as the plane descended towards wherever it crashed...a kind of final act by the electronics on the aircraft to establish a link.

Short of some really sharp or violent turns through this, while it was still dark, there would have been no real reason for passengers to suspect anything untoward at least up until the time they should have entered Chinese airspace before descending to Beijing.

I suspect, that by the time anyone may have figured out something was wrong, they were well out of range of cell phone operation anyway...if they were still conscience. If someone had a sat phone...maybe they could have gotten something off. But not many people have those.

It is sure enough a bonafied mystery.

I am glad they found the wreckage to give the families at least that level of closure for sure...but short of finding real evidence about what actually happened out there...they will be wondering what really happened to their loved ones for the rest of their life..
 
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Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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One thing that bothers me is we will probably never ever know why the plane changed course.

I mean that aircraft was supposed to go to Beijing.

Well Kwai, the truth is there is only one person who had the motive? Faith in his religion/pastor broken, marriage broken, probably wanted to make a statement to his ex, or soon to be ex? and the means, apparently the aircraft was "zoom climbed to a very high altitude, kept there long enough to disable the rest of the passengers and flight crew, and finally dived toward the sea and the course changed below radar contact in order that this bird would be "lost at sea", transponder and flight following disabled, and headed West out into the broad expanse of the Indian Ocean to cover up his heinous and cowardly act.

As horrible as that seems, that is the only logical explanation, horrifying, and equally horrific to 9/11, or that sick individual in the Alps??? It greaves me to think that the "Captain" has done what to most of us is "unthinkable"?
 
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