ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Miragedriver

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Russian Arms Are Best in War Against ISIL – Iraqi Defense Minister
Russian-made weapons are most efficient in fighting ISIL terrorists, Iraqi Defense Minister Khaled al-Obeidi said on Friday.

“The war we are waging is not a traditional one. We are building our armed forces in peacetime… Our enemy is changing its tactic every month, every day and we need adequate weapons to respond to this,” RT Arabic quoted the Iraqi minister as saying during an ongoing visit to Moscow.

“In the battles we are fighting now Russian weapons have proved themselves as the very best. I know that the Americans can’t supply us with such weapons,” he added.

Khaled al-Obeidi said that the Americans are not very good when there is “a war of attrition” going on where Iraq needs large amounts of military supplies.

He also mentioned Russia’s promise to supply the Iraqis with whatever weapons and other military hardware it could possibly find in its arsenals.

The minister praised the work done by the joint and hailed Moscow’s readiness to provide all-round assistance to his country.

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vincent said:
please enlighten me, isn't Nusra Front Al Qaeda? And Uncle Sam expect their puppies work with them? WTF?

In fact, officials said on Friday, they expected the Nusra Front to welcome Division 30 as an ally in its fight against the Islamic State.

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BAGHDAD — A Syrian insurgent group at the heart of the Pentagon’s effort to fight the Islamic State came under intense attack on Friday from a different hard-line Islamist faction, a serious blow to the Obama administration’s plans to create a reliable military force inside
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The American-led coalition responded with airstrikes to help the American-aligned unit, known as Division 30, in fighting off the assault, according to an American military spokesman and combatants on both sides. The strikes were the first known use of coalition air power in direct battlefield support of fighters in
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who were trained by the Pentagon.

The attack on Friday was mounted by the Nusra Front, which is affiliated with Al Qaeda. It came a day
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two leaders and at least six fighters of Division 30, which supplied the first trainees to graduate from the Pentagon’s anti-Islamic State training program.

In Washington, several current and former senior administration officials acknowledged that the attack and the abductions by the Nusra Front took American officials by surprise and amounted to a significant intelligence failure.

While American military trainers had gone to great lengths to protect the initial group of trainees from attacks by Islamic State or Syrian Army forces, they did not anticipate an assault from the Nusra Front. In fact, officials said on Friday, they expected the Nusra Front to welcome Division 30 as an ally in its fight against the Islamic State.

“This wasn’t supposed to happen like this,” said one former senior American official, who was working closely on Syria issues until recently, and who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential intelligence assessments.

The Nusra Front said in a statement on Friday that its aim was to eliminate Division 30 before it could gain a deeper foothold in Syria. The Nusra Front did much the same last year when it smashed the main groups that had been trained and equipped in a different American effort, one run covertly by the C.I.A.

A spokesman for the American military, Col. Patrick S. Ryder, wrote in an email statement that “we are confident that this attack will not deter Syrians from joining the program to fight for Syria,” and added that the program “is making progress.”

Division 30’s leaders expected to play a role in an
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by the United States and Turkey to help less radical Syrian insurgent groups seize territory from the fundamentalist militant fighters of the Islamic State, also known as
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, ISIL or Daesh.

But the unit had no known plans to fight the Nusra Front, and the attacks on Thursday and Friday seemed to catch the unit off guard. Though the Nusra Front is allied with Al Qaeda, it is seen by many insurgents in Syria as preferable to the Islamic State, and it sometimes cooperates with other less radical groups against both the Islamic State and Syrian government forces.

A senior Defense Department official acknowledged that the threat to the trainees and their Syrian recruiters had been misjudged, and said that officials were trying to understand why the Nusra Front had turned on the trainees. The defense official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence reports, described what he called “silver linings” to the attack on Friday: that the trainees had fought effectively in the battle, and that coalition warplanes responded quickly with airstrikes to support them.

Witnesses described the attack as an all-out assault, with medium and heavy weapons, on a Division 30 encampment west of the town of Azaz in Aleppo Province, near the border with Turkey.

In a statement on Friday, Division 30’s leaders called on all nationalist Syrian insurgents to “stand firm and proactively” against what they called an unprovoked attack, and asked “the brothers in the Nusra Front” to “stop the bloodshed and preserve the unity.”

Yet witnesses to the attack on Friday and insurgent leaders said that most of the other groups in the area failed to come to Division 30’s aid. By staying out of the fight, they may have signaled that they have not accepted a central feature of the Pentagon’s program: that it be directed only at the Islamic State and not at the Syrian government forces of President Bashar al-Assad, against whom the rebels originally took up arms.

At a minimum, it appears that other insurgent groups were not ready to directly take on the Nusra Front, one of the strongest and best-financed forces on the ground in Syria. Neither did they join in the Nusra Front’s attack on Division 30, perhaps because of the coalition airstrikes. The Islamic State does not have a significant presence in that area.

Ahrar al-Sham, another powerful Islamist insurgent group, stayed on the sidelines, according to a spokesman, Ahmad Kara Ali. Ahrar al-Sham has often aligned with the Nusra Front, but it has been at odds with the group in some places lately over power and over how to govern areas they have conquered.

One group that apparently did side with Division 30 was Jaysh Al-Thuwar, a coalition based west of Azaz that includes several Arab and Kurdish factions. The group said in a statement that it, too, had come under attack after Division 30 fighters had fallen back to areas under its control, and that it tried to assist Division 30 during the battle.

Division 30 said in a statement that five of its fighters were killed in the firefight on Friday, 18 were wounded and 20 were captured by the Nusra Front. It was not clear whether the 20 captives included the six fighters and two commanders captured a day earlier.

Division 30 was formed from a number of smaller groups to streamline the recruitment and training of fighters by the Pentagon to fight the Islamic State. The program has produced only a handful of graduates so far, in part because of a screening process to root out suspected extremists that Division 30’s leaders say is too stringent.

Its first contingent of trained fighters — just 54 in all — recently re-entered Syria to join the rest of the division. An American official said that none of those 54 were among the eight captured on Thursday by the Nusra Front.

But the captives did include Nadeem Hassan, a defector from the Syrian Army who helped organize Division 30’s 1,200 fighters, and Farhan Jasem, a deputy who commanded the 54 trained fighters, according to a statement from Division 30.

The Nusra Front’s statement offered its view of the American role in Syria. Referring to the C.I.A. program, the group said that when the United States tried to “plant its hands inside Syria,” the Nusra Front “cut those hands off,” and that Division 30 was merely another proxy “aiming to advance the projects and interests of America.”

Sunni Arabs have formed the backbone of the revolt against Mr. Assad’s rule, which exploded into civil war after his security forces cracked down on protesters. As the conflict has dragged on, more groups have come to frame it the way the Nusra Front does, as a sectarian struggle.

The group’s statement said Sunnis would not hand the sacrifices of four years of war “on a plate of gold” to the United States “for it to establish its feet in the region over the graves of hundreds of thousands of the people of Syria.”

The war has killed at least 230,000 Syrians, wounded more than a million and displaced more than nine million, half the country’s population.
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I have read that many Nusrah fighters were paid by Saudi Arabia which hired the CIA to train them in Jordan. As t2contra says the plot is thick.
 
Miragedriver

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kwaigonegin said:
The only way we can win against the likes of ISIS is to have folks like Eisenhower, LeMay, Patton and Churchill in the midst.
But those types of people don't exist anymore in this world.. at least not in the US.
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We only need a USA General like John J. Pershing. Men with testicular fortitude. Men that do what is needed in a war, not was is politically correct.


Once in US history an episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was in command of the garrison. There had been numerous Islamic terrorist attacks, so "Black Jack" told his boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.

Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The US soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs' blood. This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist martyrs.

All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years.

Pointing a gun into the face of Islamic terrorists won't make them flinch. They welcome the chance to die for Allah. Like Gen. Pershing, we must show them that they won't get to Muslim heaven (which they believe has an endless supply of virgins) but instead will die with the hated pigs of the devil.


Back to bottling my Grenache and eating salami
 
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Miragedriver

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If you're going to fight a war then fight it ruthlessly with no regard for enemy (burying with pigs is not in the Geneva Convention as far as I know). The Roman Empire, Genghis Khan, etc...... knew how to fight a war. So does ISIS. Be absolutely ruthless and the other side won't fight. Almost all western politicians want to fight a war without hurting anybody and being fair and nice. Don't think that's going to work.

Take a play from the handbook of history that works. If not history will depict the current world leaders as Neville Chamberlins.


Back to bottling my Grenache
 
Jeff Head

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All you need to know about the Obama Administration's efforts, impact and effectiveness, in building a separate force on the ground to fight ISIS in Syria is summed up by the recent short comments by the US Secretary of Defense, Ash Carter in front of the US Congress:

US Secretary of Defense said:
...the effort has so far produced only 60 fighters. This number is much smaller than we hoped for.
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Epic fail.

US Air Strikes are having an impact. But the ISIS forces will never be completely defeated and dislodged by that alone...and everyone knew it.

Such a minimal force as the US has created to date will have zero impact on the ground...and everyone knows that too.

No sense at this point, IMHO, even including them in any serious discussion.

Now, US air support for other sizable and effective forces on the ground, like the Turkish forces on the Turkish/Syrian border, or the Kurd forces in Iraq can be very helpful and telling.

If the Iraqi forces raise their game and display the commitment and dedication to gight and win...and not run... air support for them can be very helpful too.

Air support can also strike targets of opportunity and destroy Command and Control when it is found, take out leadership when they are found, and degrade ISIS depots and infrastructure.

But in the end...boots on the ground are going to have to take back territory and ultimately defeat ISIS fighters on the ground. US air support and air support from others can help those forces...but air strikes alone cannot replace them.
 
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vincent

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PKK made some major gains against ISIS recently. It is rather odd for US to allow Turkey to bomb them
 
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