Russian Flanker and SU-3X Thread: Videos, Pictures, News, Views

Scratch

Captain
I have never seen an SU-27 or SU-30 with drop tanks...not even the centerline tanks. I do not know if they are even plumbed for them.

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Does anyone have pics of it?

Now that you mention and ask for it specificly, I can't seems to find or remember Flankers with drop tanks, too. Must have had something different on my mind.

Perhaps Su-33s with a centerlin buddy refueling pod. MKIs have that capability as well. I don't know what other models do have that, or if it is common on Flankers.

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Jeff Head

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Perhaps Su-33s with a centerlin buddy refueling pod. MKIs have that capability as well. I don't know what other models do have that, or if it is common on Flankers.
Yes, I have seen that before...but only in a few pics. I am not sure whether they ever made it operational aboard the carrier or not.
 

Jeff Head

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I've heard that the Flankers carry huge amount of fuel internally, something like 9 or 10 tons that they don't care to put an external tank for it.
Yes...I believe that is the whole point and initiated the discussion quite a few posts ago.

With their large internal fuel capability, the thought was that they do not need them.

But, if they needed to extend their range for other longer range missions, they would be nice.

They clearly have given the SU-34 strike aircraft additional fuel capability.

I was just wondering if they had it on other SU-27s or SU-30s and did not use it...or if they have it at all on those aircraft.

As I said, I have read where the SU-35 supposedly can carry one drop tank under each wing...but have never seen pictures of them doing so.
 

thunderchief

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Now why would we want to use the same weight for both aircraft, the Flanker is much heavier, and has a higher wing loading, which was my point. Typhoon has a much higher thrust to weight ratio and a higher ITR! I believe when the Chinese put their J-10 up against their J-11s the J-10 proved to be much more agile and whooped the J-11s pretty good?

I didn't use same weight for both aircraft (i.e. weight of Typhoon equal to Su-27) . I used same separate weight for each aircraft for different calculations - Typhoon 16000 kg and Su-27 23430 kg .

Both aircraft (Typhoon and Su-27) have similar ITR (somewhat above 30 deg/s ) . STR of Su-27 is 21-22 deg/s , while Typhoon falls well bellow 20 (18 deg/s according to some authors)

Anyway, Indian Su-30 MKI are now participating in exercises in UK. We should expect mock dogfights and winning side would certainly brag about it :D So let's wait and see.
 

aksha

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Anyway, Indian Su-30 MKI are now participating in exercises in UK. We should expect mock dogfights and winning side would certainly brag about it :D So let's wait and see.

there were dogfights, and apparently TVC was used,
the bolded line about the use of yaw by the flankers is interesting
but nothing yet on the results

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The British Royal Air Force (RAF) and Indian Air Force (IAF) have hailed the success of a major exercise which saw the deployment of four Sukhoi Su-30MKI ‘Flankers’ to the U.K. to fly with and fight against the RAF’s Eurofighter Typhoon.

Exercise Indradhanush IV (Hindi: Rainbow) concluded on July 30 following intensive flying operations with RAF Typhoon squadrons from RAF Coningsby, Lincolnshire. Ten IAF crews including 15 pilots and five weapon systems operators flew twice daily missions, often flying all four Su-30s on air-to-air training missions flying beyond visual range (BVR) and within visual range (WVR) engagements with the Typhoon.

This is the fourth iteration of the exercise, with the British and Indians taking it in turns to visit each other's shores.

The last time the Indians deployed to the U.K. was in 2007.

The Su-30s came from 2 Sqn – the Winged Arrows – based at Tezpur near India’s frontier with China.

The Flanker pilots were also able to use their thrust-vectoring control (TVC) “super-maneuverability” capability activated by flipping a switch in the cockpit. One pilot told Aviation Week that they had used the yaw capability of the TVC to remain inside the tight turn radius of the Typhoon in order to keep the Typhoon in missile launch parameters.

It was not possible to assess which aircraft, if any, had the upper hand in air combat, pilots and commanders remained tight lipped on the results of any dogfighting.

RAF Wg. Cmdr. Chris Moon, commanding officer of 3 (Fighter) Sqn which led the exercise said that participants had adopted a “crawl, walk, run approach” with Indian crews familiarizing themselves with U.K. airspace regulations before taking on the Typhoons in 1vs1, 2vs1 and increasingly complex engagements. The last exercise mission saw all four Flankers working with six Typhoons to escort and support two C-130J Hercules on a paradropping mission. They were opposed by 8-10 red-air Typhoons.

The exercise also saw the use of an Indian C-17 and an Il-78 tanker aircraft. The Il-78 operated alongside an RAF A330 Voyager tanker over the North Sea. While the Su-30s could have refueled from the Voyager, they were not cleared to, as a result fighters refueled from their national assets.

At least two RAF pilots got to fly in the back seat of the Su-30 during exchange sorties on July 30.

All Indian aircraft left the U.K. on July 31



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thunderchief

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there were dogfights, and apparently TVC was used,
the bolded line about the use of yaw by the flankers is interesting
but nothing yet on the results

Well, I guess that "remain inside the tight turn radius of the Typhoon in order to keep the Typhoon in missile launch parameters" means that Flankers out-turned Typhoons in sustained close combat, as was expected .
 
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