Terrorism against Chinese targets

JayBird

Junior Member
If Turkey keep using the Uyghur terrorists to create trouble in China, then China should considering reciprocate their move and give a helping hand to the Kurds or PKK. It seems like Turkey's islamic extremism are getting out of hand lately with them attacking "Chinese" in Turkey with the support of some of their local politicians. China is trying really hard to have a good relation with Turkey, but it can not be one way street.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Guys...the article above talking about them using Turkey Passports clearly states:

"by using fake Turkish passports"

They faked them. This does not mean at all that Turkey issued them...it means the contrary. Read the whole article and do not simply respond based on the title.

Let's not be too quick to latch on to unproven conspiracy theories.

Cleary the Uyghurs committing the acts we have seen, and attempting to join other groups are TERRORISTS. But I do not believe at this point that there is ANY substantial or documented evidence that indicates that the government of Turkey is abetting or aiding them in the least.
 

shen

Senior Member
If Turkey keep using the Uyghur terrorists to create trouble in China, then China should considering reciprocate their move and give a helping hand to the Kurds or PKK. It seems like Turkey's islamic extremism are getting out of hand lately with them attacking "Chinese" in Turkey with the support of some of their local politicians. China is trying really hard to have a good relation with Turkey, but it can not be one way street.

I think supporting terrorism is never a good idea. Look at what happened to CIA support of Al Qaeda back in the 1980's? Supporting terrorism backfires always.
We need to ask at what level of the Turkish government does this policy originates from? We also need to realize the intellectual atmosphere created by certain overseas media organizations and politicians who refuse to call terrorism terrorism or place terrorists in quotation marks whenever there is a terrorist attack in China are directly responsible for providing moral and inspire material support for terrorists.

Guys...the article above talking about them using Turkey Passports clearly states:

"by using fake Turkish passports"

They faked them. This does not mean at all that Turkey issued them...it means the contrary. Read the whole article and do not simply respond based on the title.

Let's not be too quick to latch on to unproven conspiracy theories.

Cleary the Uyghurs committing the acts we have seen, and attempting to join other groups are TERRORISTS. But I do not believe at this point that there is ANY substantial or documented evidence that indicates that the government of Turkey is abetting or aiding them in the least.

The articles says in some cases the passports are fake, but in other case the passport are so good a positive determination can't be made without the cooperation of the Turkish government. Even in cases where the passports are fake, Turkish embassy continue to provide legal support and continue to claim these are Turkish citizens, even AFTER the passports have proven to be fake!
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Draw your own conclusions

During their trial at North Jakarta District Court, the men last month could not sing the Turkish national anthem or name its title when prosecutor Nana Riana challenged them to do so.

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By Zahara Tiba
2015-07-16

A lawyer for three Uyghur men found guilty of trying to join an Indonesian terrorist group is appealing the verdict, BenarNews has learned.

The appeal was filed Wednesday after consultations with Turkish officials in Jakarta, according to defense attorney Asludin Hatjani.

“The embassy of Turkey sent staff to talk with the four defendants at Brimob Headquarters a day after the verdict. They agreed to appeal and I lodged the appeal yesterday after the talks,” Asludin told BenarNews on Thursday, referring to the police’s Mobile Brigade unit (Brimob).

“Currently we are waiting for a memorandum of appeal from the High Court.”

Turkey’s involvement corroborates that his clients are Turkish, he said.

“I can confirm they are citizens of Turkey, because their documents themselves are still recognized by the embassy and the police. Even the court itself stated their nationality is Turkish,” Asludin said.

On Monday, the court sentenced the three men – Ahmet Mahmud, Altinci Bayram, and Abdul Basit – to six years in prison and a fine of U.S. $7,500 each, after convicting them on charges of attempting to join a local terrorist group and of entering the country illegally last September.

Ahmet Bozoglan, a fourth Uyghur man arrested at the time and accused of being their leader, was tried separately; his verdict is scheduled for July 29.

“In Turkey, there are many Uyghurs. And tension related to the issue of Uyghur terrorism is increasing, including Thailand which has refused to release Uyghurs from custody.”

On July 9, Thai authorities confirmed that they had forcibly repatriated nearly 100 Uyghurs to China, drawing criticism from human rights groups and protests in Turkey over the expulsion of the Turkic-speaking Muslim minority that suffers harsh repression under Chinese rule.

Chinese officials claimed that the refugees were on their way to Turkey, Syria or Iraq to join the Islamic State (IS) extremist group.

Unclear

During their trial at North Jakarta District Court, the men last month could not sing the Turkish national anthem or name its title when prosecutor Nana Riana challenged them to do so.

“How is it that a citizen doesn’t know the national anthem of his own country? I’m Indonesian. My national anthem is ‘Indonesia Raya,’” Nana said in court on June10.

The men’s citizenship could determine where they are sent once the trial is over, she later told BenarNews.

“Going forward, their citizenship status may influence the extradition agreement between Indonesian officials and the government of Turkey or China,” Nana said.

“If they are not Turkish citizens, possibly the court will destroy their passports.”

Earlier, the National Counterterrorism Agency (BNPT) indicated that the four Uyghurs could be extradited to China after their trials.

The MIT connection

The four are believed to have entered Indonesia using false Turkish passports via Malaysia. During an earlier court session they described taking a motorboat from Malaysia to Pekanbaru, Riau Province, on Sumatra island.

They flew to Jakarta, and visited Bogor and Bandung in Java before flying on to Makassar, in Sulawesi.

Shortly thereafter police arrested the four in Central Sulawesi province. Police said they were on their way to join the Eastern Indonesia Mujahideen (MIT), which is believed to be based in Poso regency in Central Sulawesi.

MIT is believed to have sworn allegiance to IS, and its leader Santoso – Indonesia’s most wanted terrorist – has welcomed foreign mujahideen to join the group, security officials say.

“We have no other intention but vacation,” Basit testified in court.

Announcing the guilty verdict on Monday, presiding judge Kun Marioso said evidence presented in court had proven the guilt of defendants Mahmud, Bayram and Basit.

This included testimony that they were in touch with one of five foreign nationals who have reportedly joined MIT since then.

But Asludin said the prosecution failed to furnish direct evidence linking his clients to terrorism, and that some of the statements made by the judge in announcing the verdict did not match testimony given in court.
 

Brumby

Major
Draw your own conclusions

During their trial at North Jakarta District Court, the men last month could not sing the Turkish national anthem or name its title when prosecutor Nana Riana challenged them to do so.

In my view this has to be a legal low for test of nationality. It may be appropriate as a dramatic scene in a movie but has no legal leg to stand on. Prima facie evidence is established by relevant documents to proof nationality and after all is a requirement to get your passport and not whether you can sing the national anthem.
 

shen

Senior Member
In my view this has to be a legal low for test of nationality. It may be appropriate as a dramatic scene in a movie but has no legal leg to stand on. Prima facie evidence is established by relevant documents to proof nationality and after all is a requirement to get your passport and not whether you can sing the national anthem.

They are trying to determine if the very party providing the legal document is lying.
 

JayBird

Junior Member
I think supporting terrorism is never a good idea.

The articles says in some cases the passports are fake, but in other case the passport are so good a positive determination can't be made without the cooperation of the Turkish government. Even in cases where the passports are fake, Turkish embassy continue to provide legal support and continue to claim these are Turkish citizens, even AFTER the passports have proven to be fake!

I thought the Kurdish are a peaceful minority group being oppressed. Their language and culture are being destroyed by the repressive regime. I'm concern about the human rights of the Kurds. I'm not sure if the PKK really is a "terrorist" group or just oppressed minority freedom fighters. Wait..... this sounded kind of familiar. :p
 
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