Chinese military exports to other countries

Old news from above, but different article

Argentina buys Chinese armored personnel carriers VN1


VN1 APC is an export version produced in series since 2009 of the new wheeled armored main Chinese PLA ZBL09. Armored vehicles ZBL09 family developed and manufactured located in Baotou (Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region) now Inner Mongolia First Machinery Group Company (known as plant number 617), which is part of the group Norinco, and is also the only factory in China for the production of the .

According to the Web resource , the Argentine military is not in awe of the Chinese APC, but the decision to acquire BTR VN1 was "political".

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Miragedriver said:

According to the Web resource

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, the Argentine military is not in awe of the Chinese APC, but the decision to acquire BTR VN1 was "political".

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According to one website:

BTW, Chinese people also admits that the disadvantages of its new 8X8 armor vehicle family. The larger size of the vehicle brings the inferior maneuver performance; automated manual transmission system is still used; 30mm machine gun has less firepower comparing with western ICVs; simple fire-control system……

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Rather basic featured.

t2contra said:

According to one website:

Rather basic featured.

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The crazy things is that this is relatively superior hardware within the PLA that only a fraction of the PLA gets to be equipped with!

PanAsian said:

The crazy things is that this is relatively superior hardware within the PLA that only a fraction of the PLA gets to be equipped with!

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A testament to how far the PLA has to go.

PanAsian said:

The crazy things is that this is relatively superior hardware within the PLA that only a fraction of the PLA gets to be equipped with!

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Blackstone said:

A testament to how far the PLA has to go.

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That's because nobody wants to fight the PLA on land by themselves. A testament to how much damage the PLA can do to it's enemy if they decided to test their fate on the mainland.

Blackstone said:

A testament to how far the PLA has to go.

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Still very far especially when it comes to PLA. It appears the plan and PLAAF gets most of the good stuff .. And rightly so I guess. Like most have insinuated the PLA is probably the least likely out of plan and PLAAF to engaged in true mechanized combat.

China is taking full advantage of its industrial production might.

Its strategy is one of mainly development, with little production. Thus reducing the defence spending while catching up to the best in the world in terms of tech level.

They will buy enough to keep the factories going and retain the skills and also have enough units to allow their best units to train on the new equipment even if they are not normally issued with it.

It has enough elite units equipped with the best kit to be able to easily handle anything short of a major full scale war.

If such a war does break out, China is not expecting it to end quick, so it will have time to re-direct its enormous industrial might to armament production, at which point the PLA might eventually have more war machines then troops to crew them.

janjak desalin said:

I suggested, in a much pilloried post, that the true test of China's defense industry would only be demonstrated by a wartime production type effort. We hope that this never occurs, but it is an interesting question to consider. If push came to shove, just how many j-10s and 11s, type 052Ds, type054As, etc, could China's defense industry push out?

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The answer would depend on the scale and scope of the war, for a limited war, it probably won't be that many more than what they can make now per unit of time.

But in a total war scenario, it will be a massive amount that will approach or maybe even surpass WWII American military output rates.

Chinese leaders truly understand that logistics is the key to success in war, probably largely because they and their predecessors know first hand from bitter experience just what a nightmare it is trying to fight wars with poor logistical support (WWII and Korea most especially).

That is a huge part of the reason why China's defence and industrial policies are the way it is, and why China is so insistent on self-reliance, and almost religiously establish domestic version of key important components as soon as they can, even if it doesn't necessarily make that much economic or industrial sense.

The PLA also seldom go for equipment with all the bells and whistles because a key part of their procurement decision making process is the question - how long does this take to make/replace? And not necessarily just how much it costs, which obviously also features heavily.

The flip side of that is that they can be comfortable in not spending so much in establishing and maintaining the same standing force levels as others deem as minimally acceptable because they know that if push came to shove, they can build up their numbers far quicker than any adversary would expect, never mind can hope to match.