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India's own Arjun tank is finally proving its worth. Despite continuing criticism from an army establishment that judges the Arjun far more strictly than foreign purchases like the T-90, the Arjun is successfully completing a gruelling 5,000-kilometre trial in the Rajasthan desert.

During six months of trials, the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), along with tank crews from the army's 43 Armoured Regiment, have proved not just the Arjun's endurance, but also the ability of its computer-controlled gun to consistently blow away suitcase-sized targets placed more than a kilometre away.

The army's Directorate General of Mechanised Forces (DGMF), which must eventually okay the tank, is not impressed but key decision-makers are rallying behind the Arjun.

The head of the Pune-based Southern Command, Lieutenant General N Thamburaj, strongly backs the Arjun. On a visit to the Mahajan Field Firing Ranges in Rajasthan to watch his troops exercising, Lt Gen Thamburaj noticed the Arjun firing nearby.

After walking across, he was invited by the DRDO team to drive and fire the tank. Half an hour later, the general was an Arjun backer; two holes in the target he aimed at testified that a soldier without previous experience operating tanks could get into the Arjun and use it effectively.

Business Standard has evidence of many more such incidents. On June 29, 2006, the commander of the elite 31 Armoured Division, Major General BS Grewal, visited the Mahajan Ranges along with a colleague, Major General Shiv Jaswal. Both drove and fired the Arjun for the first time that day; the two rounds that each fired punched holes through targets almost two kilometres away (see picture).

That same month, 43 Armoured Regiment, which is the first army tank unit equipped with the Arjun, pronounced itself delighted with the Arjun's firing performance. After firing trials in summer 2006, 43 Armoured Regiment endorsed: "The accuracy and consistency of the Arjun have been proved beyond doubt."

But the establishment was quick to strike back. Barely three months after that report, the commanding officer of 43 Armoured Regiment, Colonel D Thakur, was confronted by the then Director General of Mechanised Forces, Lt Gen DS Shekhawat. Eyewitnesses describe how he was upbraided for "not conducting the trials properly". But in a career-threatening display of professional integrity, Colonel Thakur's brigade commander, Brigadier Chandra Mukesh, intervened to insist that the trials had been conducted correctly.

In a series of interviews with the army, including the present Director General of Mechanised Forces, Lt Gen D Bhardwaj, and with the MoD top brass, Business Standard has learned that opposition to the Arjun remains deeply entrenched. This despite the soldiers of 43 Armoured Regiment declaring that if it came to war, they would like to be in an Arjun.

Minister of State for Defence Production, Rao Inderjeet Singh recounts: "I've spoken, off the record, to officers who have gone through the trials. Even the crews (from 43 Armoured Regiment)… who have been testing the tank… I forced them to choose between the Russian tanks and the Arjun.

I said, you've driven this tank and you've driven that tank (the T-90). Now mark them out of ten, which tank is better? And I've found that the Arjun tank was given more numbers than the T-90 tank."

With new confidence, the Arjun's developer, the Central Vehicles R&D Establishment (CVRDE), is arguing strongly for "comparative trials", in which the Arjun would be pitted head-to-head, in identical conditions, with the army's T-90 and T-72 tanks. But the DGMF continues to resist any such face-off.


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Read actually in a very good article particularly for some things :
- Turret is narrow but enough high, size not necessary for actual 125 mm gun ( for breech )but maybe planned for a futur 135, 140 or up to 152 mm gun.
- Armor, additional blocks protecting the flanks of the chassis unknow passive, active ?
- Weight up to 57 t
- Engine normaly 1200 hp up to 1600.
- Use part of T-50 electronic, woul get a little AESA radar then a tank clearly more expensive as the T-90.

24 pre series yet delivered, 32 buy in 2015 delivered in 2016 , could be 70 in 2017 and 120 in 2018 then 2300 delivered for 2035 and in this case replace 70% of actual tanks.
Tested up to 2016 minimum.

Some completely wacky numbers annouced, 500 by year almost all delivered for 2020 !!!

All it not completely sure ofc but close.

Unusual Tank which really get a look !
 

ahho

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If you haven't seen it before...take the 45 minutes to watch this documentary of the largest tank battle of the Gulf War:


Pretty good documentary.

Definitely a good video. They detailed the advantage that the US had which is technology. (GPS, Thermal Sight, motorized turret with auto stabilizer). This video even gave credit to what the Iraq army did with their tactics and maneuvers. They even mentioned that T-72 was a good tank for its time, but what Iraq have was already obsolete.

I am curious, by 1991 I am pretty sure that the Russians have the same tech, how did Iraq not anticipate it. Auto Stabilized turret already came out for t-62. I am pretty sure Russian have thermal imaging and even GLONASS. With WW2 documentary, airplanes with land radar were doing triangular positioning (I not too sure if that was the right term) and they can locate where they are. How would Iraq not know this? They can navigate through the desert using the technology.
 

JayBird

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From online military forums, the Russian members always claimed the Iraqi T-72 was just expert monkey version of their T-72. And that's the reason for it's bad performance during the Gulf War against the coalition forces. But I don't know how accurate their claims are. Maybe is true or they just don't want to admit the Russian tanks were just not as good as western tanks.
 
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