PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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mr.bean

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I don't know what to make of it, Dino. The new construction looks big, and even assuming it's a military vessel, it could be anything from a CV or LHD to a new 40kt oiler or comprehensive supply ship.

I know everyone's excited about it being the new aircraft carrier CV-17. but I wouldn't be disappointed if it indeed turns out to be the first LHD or the new 40k oiler.

also want to mention that many of these photos are from the website HSH, they are like the bigshots in china regarding naval developments. if my memory is correct they were the first ones to come up with the first pictures of DDG 170 while it was still in construction. I remember how excited we were because that was china's first 'ageis' type air defence warship. so if HSH leans toward this thing being a carrier, maybe they could be right.
 
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bd popeye

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Looks like someone is yanking our chains to get us all riled up over a possible Chinese indigenous CV...

Nothing NEW here to see..let's all just move along.....:rolleyes:
 

Jeff Head

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Upppsss ... I did not notice how much was PSed on these latest images ....:eek:
Thanks, Deino. Neither did I.

Even so, in the one, along the edges you can tell that there are no internal deck spaces for the compartmentalization I mentioned above.

And along the keel, there is no extra structural reinforcement for a double hull.

Those two concerns still stands from my perspective.
 

kroko

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I agree that it looks a bit strange

It looks like that most of the visible evidence points to this being a civilian hull. Of course not 100% sure. But it points that way.

Looks like someone is yanking our chains to get us all riled up over a possible Chinese indigenous CV...

Nothing NEW here to see..let's all just move along.....:rolleyes:

There are people in this forum who are anxious for a chinese-built aircraft carrier. But this one doesnt appear to be so.
 

lcloo

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What if I say the photo with the psed "bulkhead/wall" and the photo of the larger hull with multiple bulkheads are not in the same dry dock (look at the surrounding area) and do not belonged to a same ship.
 

Jeff Head

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What if I say the photo with the psed "bulkhead/wall" and the photo of the larger hull with multiple bulkheads are not in the same dry dock (look at the surrounding area) and do not belonged to a same ship.
Could be...we can only go on what is posted at this stage.

We rely on posts, information, pics, etc. from our SD members that they glean and get from around the web and PRC and other bulletin boards.

At some point, want is building at Dalian will become obvious and until then we are left to talk about what we can gather.
 

Blitzo

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It looks like that most of the visible evidence points to this being a civilian hull. Of course not 100% sure. But it points that way.

I think out of the recent pictures, only the suspected bow module looks a little bit strange... but like I said, there are various factors which may explain why it looks strange or why we do not see certain design features from the angle of the photo.



There are people in this forum who are anxious for a chinese-built aircraft carrier. But this one doesnt appear to be so.

Okay, first of all, you need to realize why there is now so much attention directed at this drydock. It isn't because everyone is anxious for a chinese carrier just for the hell of it. Please don't be so patronizing.
No, it's because the rumour cycle has led us here. You've been here long enough, but I'll describe it for you:
1: rumours of requirements and needs are discussed
2: rumours of research and development towards a final product occurs
3: rumours of advanced development and early construction of the product occur (including who/where the manufacturer is)
4: early physical (usually photo) evidence of a product emerge
5: clear photo evidence of a product allows for positive verification

This pattern can be applied for a variety of products, from J-20, Y-20, destroyers... and yes, the carrier.
Right now I think we are at stage 4, where we're collecting early photo evidence, but have not yet reached stage 5. So that is why DL is being watched so carefully. If we did not go through stages 1-3 then we would not be bothering with stage 4 and 5.
It may turn out that this ship we're seeing isn't military... but until then, we are going to keep watching it very carefully.


....Second of all, you should consider just which pictures you're talking about. I will concede that the suspected bow module looks somewhat strange from the photo angle which it is taken at, but the rest of the large hull which has formed could very reasonably be a carrier... and in all photos, I do not see anything which definitively indicates the modules cannot be a carrier.

Again, I emphasize that for the purposes of our observation, it is important to consider whether any design features that look different to pictures of US carriers under construction, can be explained by any of the factors I mentioned in my previous posts. In other words, any differences that are observed are only really useful to us if they definitively indicate that the ship they are part of cannot possibly be a carrier.
 

Blitzo

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Looks like someone is yanking our chains to get us all riled up over a possible Chinese indigenous CV...

Nothing NEW here to see..let's all just move along.....:rolleyes:

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Are you talking about the photos doctored with parts of the shipyard blocked out?

I wouldn't call that yanking our chains, rather I would call it further reason for us to watch it closer...
If anything all these new photos mean we shouldn't move along and we should watch the shipyard even more closely.
 

subotai1

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What if I say the photo with the psed "bulkhead/wall" and the photo of the larger hull with multiple bulkheads are not in the same dry dock (look at the surrounding area) and do not belonged to a same ship.
I think you are right. The close-up hull pictures are definitely not the same hull pictured from the aerial images given that the dock sides, height and distance are completely different,
 
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