Latin America Naval Shipbuilding Thread (Over 1000 tons)

Jeff Head

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The Fassmer 80 OPVs would be a much better selection for the Argentine Coast Guard (prefectura naval argentina), in terms of economy of operation and life cycle of the vessel.

However, there is now a fascination for the Chinese P18 export corvette/frigate.

The P18 vessel packs a larger punch offensively and has passed the scope of a OPV and into that of a frigate combatant.
Well the OPVs can be up armed to some extent...but in the end they will remain off shore patrol vessels. They are not meant to be major combatants.

The P18 on the other hand, while it certainly can be purchased with less armament, is meant to be multi-role frigate and is more for true naval operations.

It will come down to what Argentina want to do with its naval service at this time.

Do they want a Navy that they feel they could use in a true naval combatant role?

Or do they want to have a maritime patrol and protection function?

Perhaps they want both. In fact I am sure that the leaders and naval personnel would clearly like to be able to do both. But can they afford to do both at this time?

If not, then what are the true priorities?
 

b787

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The Secretariat (ministry) of the Navy of Mexico (Semar) will invest between 2014 and 2018, about eight billion pesos -two billion per year, in the renewal of its fleet, whose average age is 35 years. In this way, will replace 60% of its vessels amounting to 198 operating, 40% are modern units, Vice Admiral José Antonio Sierra Rodriguez, CEO of Construcciones Navales the agency reported.

In an exclusive interview with T21, he explained that it has provided for the construction of four ocean patrol $ 80 million (million dollars) each, 20 coastal patrol 12 million dollars, 16 million dollars 2.5 interceptor patrols; and other auxiliary ships are like five ships to carry supplies insular supplies to islands at a cost of 14 million dollars; and four tugs, tankers and more personnel carriers, at similar prices.
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Secretary of the Navy of Mexico, Vidal Francisco Soberon Sanz, led in this port the christening ceremony of the coastal patrol ARM "Mitla" PC-334, which carried out surveillance and crime. The coastal patrol Mexico's Navy, second of a total of 20 of its kind to be built by 2018, will have the mission to conduct "surveillance operations, interdiction, deterrence, search, rescue, rescue and combating illegal".

Health Secretary, Mercedes Juan López, was named godmother of the vessel, which will aim to maintain the rule of law and safeguarding human life in the Mexican maritime zones.

The head of the Ministry of the Navy of Mexico (Semar), Vidal Francisco Soberon said that the patrol Tenochtitlan class, this is a versatile, with adequate speed, equipment, weapons and sensors that make it "highly functional".

Its construction is part of the Permanent Drive Replacement Program Surface Navy Mexico, which aims to form an efficient and effective fleet and strengthen the maritime sector, he said.

During the event which was accompanied by the governor of Tamaulipas, Egidio Torre Cantú, Admiral also announced that Semar participate in the production of 22 boats to renew the fleet of Petroleos Mexicanos (Pemex).

He added that vessels of different types will be built with the participation of experts from the Naval Shipyards institution of the Navy, and the private sector.

Marine Shipyard Number One, Soberon Sanz stressed that this coastal patrol will help to ensure the sovereignty of the nation and create conditions for peace and development for the country.

Among the purposes of the coastal patrol "Mitla" are increasing care actions of life at sea, the defense of national territory, ensure the free movement of activities to strengthen the country and surveillance of the seas of Mexico .

Before christen the boat with a bottle of Tequila, the Health Secretary Juan Mercedes, he congratulated the Semar by the construction of the ship and coordination with authorities has shown its sector to respond to emergencies and disasters.

The official called the crew of the new coastal patrol to perform each mission with dedication and safeguarding peace in the seas of the country and preserve the rule of law.

Meanwhile, the director of Shipyard Number One, Mariano Valencia Salinas, announced that the boat began to build the December 2, 2013, has a speed of 25 knots, a range of 14 days and will have a crew of 18 elements .

He stressed that this type of warship moderate speed, is used by the navies of countries like United Kingdom, United States, Barbados and Jamaica, among others, and was built to the highest international quality standards.

Shipyard Number One is the main Ship Repair Center of the Gulf of Mexico, under the Semar, and ranks first in importance in the coast and the Caribbean Sea, he said.
 

Jeff Head

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b787, the Tenochtitlan class are excellent small patrol boats. Great vessels.

But please remember, as defined in the first post, we are limiting this thread to naval vessels of 1,000 tons are greater.

1st post said:
Specifically it is about indigenous ship design and building of modern (after 1980) ships in Central and South America over 1000 tons. In order to be discussed here, the vessel(s) must meet the above mentioned requirements.

The Tenochtitlan class is, I believe, a 250 ton vessel.

Thanks!
 

Jeff Head

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Thanks.

The Stan 4200 series and their series that are similar but a little larger, are very capable patrol vessels despite their size. They are also very popular. The US is in the process of building 58 of them itself for the US Coast Guard.

But such builds are relatively easier than the larger vessels and so this thread is focusing on the lager builds (1000+ tons) which are more indicative of the naval shipbuilding capabilities of these nations.
 

b787

Captain
Thanks.

The Stan 4200 series and their series that are similar but a little larger, are very capable patrol vessels despite their size. They are also very popular. The US is in the process of building 58 of them itself for the US Coast Guard.

But such builds are relatively easier than the larger vessels and so this thread is focusing on the lager builds (1000+ tons) which are more indicative of the naval shipbuilding capabilities of these nations.
To be honest i did not read well, your first post, plus i just thought it is about ship building in Latin american and i saw the news, however i differ i think as long it is built in Latin american size does not matter, but that is my opinion, plus to be honest i do not know about ship building, i know more about history of aviation and latin american aviation is one of my favorite pastimes :)
 

Miragedriver

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Naval patrol vessels in Central America, Supply and Demand

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(defensa.com) The Ministry of Defense of Guatemala announced that he hopes eventually the loan for the acquisition of two Navy ocean patrol for Defense approved. It is a loan with Banco Santander for 30 billion dollars, although at present only talks to allocate an amount of 15.92 million dollars (124.49 million quetzales).

Previously, the Government had expressed a preference for two units to be built by Gunners Armon SA Eduinter and projects, assuming a payment of $ 10,543,187 by a vessel 32 meters long and $ 4,673,642 for a second ship of 22 meters. Now what kind of ship is no longer seeks specified, only that it is among the 31 models or 32 meters. Furthermore, both must have high speed up to 60 knots, and to cover the 200 nautical miles territorial.

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The bad news is that there is nothing on the market that meets the Guatemalan features. We could think of Rodman 101, which meet the requirements of long, and could develop up to 40 knots, but at that speed and given its size, its scope is severely limited. He had mentioned the possibility of acquiring a ship of the class Guardamar. This ship is powered by two MTU 12V4000 M70 diesel engines that allow speeds up to 30 knots, measures 31.9 meters in length and displaces 129 tons. But neither meets the Guatemalan designs for speed and autonomy, although we think that the matter could include two Guardamar, pointed to the "donation" of a few more units, the Anaga class, 44 meters long and retired, modified with funds provided by the IFC Guatemala, revitalizing and modernizing its powerplant (perhaps standardizing MTU engines), upgrading their communications systems, navigation and monitoring, pulling their artillery, and modifying its bow with a platform to handle a helicopter.

Without doubt, the Guatemalan dilemma involves a consideration of higher performance, which could not be done with a budget of only 16 million, but perhaps one of 30. Not having actually something that covers the requirement size, speed and range, ideally having an ocean patrol scope and capacity, with space to launch an interceptor RHIB, and equipped with a helicopter pad. This gives speed and means necessary to reach what is required, and provides flexibility of persecution, supply, patrol and evacuation.

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We are then talking of a vessel between 45 and 50 meters long, uncommon. Consider that the CPV-40, designed by the German Fassmer built in Colombia, says it has a price of about $ 15 million; its length is 40 meters, and develops a speed of up to 35 knots, with a range of 3728 miles. The CPV-46, also recently completed by a South Korean design Cotecmar 46 meters long, will have a total cost of approximately $ 30 million. For all its qualities, and all end systems, neither it has a flight deck. However, both designs could accommodate changes in its center to allow the ceiling.

Another alternative mentioned is a modification of the Model 45-M Swiftships FMB 45 meters. It is a Missile modular design that accommodates two quad launchers, surface-to-surface missiles. However, by removing their batteries bow, you can place the ceiling, raised to allow even the RIHB, and become a mini-IPO.

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Central America oceanic capabilities
Honduras maintains the most modern ocean patrol of Central America two Damen 4207, 42 meters long. The Damen 4207 class of Tenochtitlan, built in Mexico, are priced at $ 9 million each. It is impressive ships, but lacking the helicopter platform. Also, ocean patrol Panama P-900 also lack the platform. It is the maritime capital units of any other Central American nation, for moving 427 tons and have 52 meters. Its maximum speed is 30 knots, thanks to its four SPAv1716T2 Isotta Fraschini diesel engines. They were built by Italy's Fincantieri Cantieri Navali, and transferred to Panama after being fully refurbished. The ship itself carries an auxiliary boat Zodiac with 80hp Yamaha engine, but his head was busy with other implements instead of the classic ceiling landing. Consider that the same type of ship, modified to P61 Maltese style, has a platform to handle a Bell 212, and still room to throw a 7-meter RHIB. We must also note that the January 15, 2006, Iraq would buy four ships of the class Mk4 Saettia $ 101 million in the same class P-900 in Panama.

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El Salvador would receive the former USCG "Madrona" in April 2002 after 59 years of use. The "Madrona" was commissioned on May 30, 1943 as buoy clothesline. Renewed by the US Coast Guard from April 1984 at a cost of $ 15 million, returned to service in September 1989. In El Salvador he sought to use the ocean vessel of 54 meters in length as mothership to increase you autonomy to coastal patrol, hence the name logistically ship BL-Arce. But the Salvadoran Navy lacked the capacity for maintaining the ship. Not only the port authority (CEPA) charged for the space ship was to occupy in the spring of Acajutla, where it should be because of its depth, but there was no money to fill the fuel tanks of the ship. When ruined propulsion, it lacked the capacity to repair budget and so I ended up being sunk in 2007, and is now the largest artificial reef in the Cobanos, an area near Acajutla

Interestingly Swiftships has detailed the prototype of its Model 35PB1208 E-1455, a maritime interceptor gunboat length 35 meters, was originally designed for a Central American country. Latently never funds received for delivery, so serve as a model for those delivered to Iraq. It is powered by three engines MTU 16V2000 diesel, which provide speeds up to 30 knots and equipped with a remote control turret MSI International DS30M-A2 with 30mm cannon. No landing of the aforementioned ceiling and due to its small dimensions, be the case, the model of 45 meters would be more appropriate for such a modification.

Currently, only Honduras and Panama has the ability to truly oceanic patrol with the Damen 4207 and P-900 Fincantieri mentioned. Or Guatemala or Nicaragua, Costa Rica, much less can assume this task. As we have seen, there is no way to accommodate a 32-meter hull, propellers that allow 60 knots, and allow constant patrolling 200 nautical miles, much less with the proposed money. The logical thing is to look for mini-IPOs comply with commitments and limitations with these tasks. (JMAH correspondent for Central America Edefa Group)

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Jeff Head

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Guys, the Thread clearly states in the opening Post that this thread will be limited to 1,000 tons or greater.

The idea of the thread is to give a feel for the capabilities of Naval Shipbuilding in Latin America.

News of the smaller patrol boats can go into the individual Brazil, Central and south American Threads.

Thanks.

Any more posts referring to these smaller vessels will either be deleted or moved.
 

b787

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ARM “Montes Azules” BAL-01

Its maximum capacity is 89 marine crew, including 18 women can embark. Its main characteristics are: Length (long), 99.80 meters; manga (width), 15.24 meters; displacement, 3000 666 metric tons and 12 knots maximum speed.
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