Taiwan "Han Kuang" exercises

Ahhh, KYli what's happened to your English, man?! I'm sure it used to be a lot easier to read your posts. I'm quite serious by the way

To be honest I haven't really met anyone that understands a lot about defence issues and pushes the "China threat" idea. So they base military strength on what they regard to be the moral ground - i.e. "China bad" = it lose.

It's ironic you mention that really, because I've had exactly the same discussion with Chinese people about Japan on another forum recently. Japan = A THREAT to China, even though they can't tell me what first-strike weapons/offensive systems the JSDF has. To quote someone, "first strike? last strike? What's the difference?! stop playing word-games!"

But of course if Japan fought China again it would automatically lose because 1 PLA soldier is worth 1,000 SDF troopers.

EDIT: This never had anything to do with you. It was a "by the way" comment.

Great job Gollevainen, sacrificing your self for the mother country like that.

The reason why war games are played are:

1. To acess the weaknesses of your own side.

2. To give your troops, especially the officers, experience in running an operation in combat-like conditions.

3. To test tactics (in an ideal wargame. In most, this doesn't work.)

So, with that said, I think that Taiwan did well in these wargames. They realized they had a weakness (the c4.) I'll also assume that they gained some experience. You have to get some, unless it is a completely politcal, unfair type of thing. As for number 3, I think that the fact that the Taiwanese pulled a miracle at the end and the fact that their four Kidds did so well makes me think that it is politically motivated. (Give the people hope that they can win, buy more Kidds.)

FuManChu said:

Ahhh, KYli what's happened to your English, man?! I'm sure it used to be a lot easier to read your posts. I'm quite serious by the way

To be honest I haven't really met anyone that understands a lot about defence issues and pushes the "China threat" idea. So they base military strength on what they regard to be the moral ground - i.e. "China bad" = it lose.

It's ironic you mention that really, because I've had exactly the same discussion with Chinese people about Japan on another forum recently. Japan = A THREAT to China, even though they can't tell me what first-strike weapons/offensive systems the JSDF has. To quote someone, "first strike? last strike? What's the difference?! stop playing word-games!"

But of course if Japan fought China again it would automatically lose because 1 PLA soldier is worth 1,000 SDF troopers.

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Japan=threat to China? Nonsense. Very few Chinese people think that. WE all know that japan is banned from attacking other countries first hand. Plus they are all banned from special weapons. They can be crushed by any superpower unless aided by another country. I mean come on! Many intensions today are to improve relations with japan! When you look at the facts, the odds are if Taiwan does not have aid from the U.S, China is bound to win. Taiwan is a very small island; lets remember that. Then ofcourse you also have to think about Russia.

I wonder if this will be off topic. Do you guys think that Taiwan include other foreign help in this simulation? And my main concern is with so much debate on the deployment time of US's cvbg, is there any possibility that Taiwan will inform or hint US that it will declare for independence some time in the future so US can make enough preparation against the much debated war between US & China? Wonder how's it gonna be like if 8 CVBG arrives at the same time in the war.

Well, I'm not saying that Taiwan would declare independence. But if it DID decide to, informing the US would obviously be one of the most important priorities.

As far as the simulation concerned, it wasn't alluded to in the article, however since a follow-up one regarding cross-Pacific F-16s noted that this factor was indeed part of the sim, I would believe that US and Japanese cooperation if not support in Hawaii, Guam, and Okinawa were present. However, as I think it would have been mentioned if there was a big impact, I think that generally it was a "Taiwan-only" situation.

FuManChu said:

Ahhh, KYli what's happened to your English, man?! I'm sure it used to be a lot easier to read your posts. I'm quite serious by the way

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English still is my second lauguage, so eventhrough I could write stuffs in more understandable forms. I just don't want to take too much times to do so, since this is a international military forum I thought this thing would not be matter much or notice or care . If you insisted that I should wrote my posts in better structure, I guess next time i would try to make my respond more clear. But don't count on it, I just don't want to take the pain and times to write in perfect English. BTW I am not here to impress anyone with my English skill , and my school days had long gone. But I do appreciate for your kindly concern for my poor english, also delight to improve it to be more easier read.

To be honest I haven't really met anyone that understands a lot about defence issues and pushes the "China threat" idea. So they base military strength on what they regard to be the moral ground - i.e. "China bad" = it lose.

It's ironic you mention that really, because I've had exactly the same discussion with Chinese people about Japan on another forum recently. Japan = A THREAT to China, even though they can't tell me what first-strike weapons/offensive systems the JSDF has. To quote someone, "first strike? last strike? What's the difference?! stop playing word-games!"

But of course if Japan fought China again it would automatically lose because 1 PLA soldier is worth 1,000 SDF troopers.

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Are you trying to humour me here? I just thought that I am being quite reasonable in my last post, and kindly point out some people had contradicted themselves. If you are trying to put my accusation upon you, then be my guess. My post was not directed at anyone, but for the people who are trying to label China as a threat and at the same time making claim to say otherwise. I really don't care what you have been discuss with others, but I never once did tried to label Japan as a threat, so it's matter not to me.

And I bet the difference, many people with supreme knowledge on military defences has been trying to push the China "threat" idea, since I have been around in many military forums for great many years. I do have first hand experiences.

Really funny, Fumanchu. If you are implying the technical side of who is better than who. I am afraid it is out of my knowledge to judge. Let me make myself clear, i am not interesting any debate on "Who is the threat, or Who threat who. We has been in this forum long enough to know the rules, and surely we should show some respect especially when we should be consider ourselves as "old member right now". So no more this nonsense and off topics, if you want to further discuss this issues or other issues. I would want you to PM me, actually I do have some disagreement regarding HK.

Please no more off topic before some members here got Burn from our Mods.


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If Taiwan did decide to declare independent, it would be their best interests to inform US. Actually I think there would be no other priorities as important, US are the only one that could make a real difference. If US did made preparation against possible War, then it should take them no more than few days to enter the war. This in term would make a difference between a Winning or Losting for Taiwan.

That's bullshit!
i dont think that Tiwan's airforce can defeat the chinese airforce very easy.
Then how does the Tiwan's airforce can cover their navy!

jalen911 said:

That's bullshit!
i dont think that Tiwan's airforce can defeat the chinese airforce very easy.
Then how does the Tiwan's airforce can cover their navy!

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Nobody is suggesting that. If you do not want a warning please take more time to go through this (and other) thread(s) to get a better look at how we view this issue before posting in this manner.

jalen911 said:

That's bullshit!
i dont think that Tiwan's airforce can defeat the chinese airforce very easy.
Then how does the Tiwan's airforce can cover their navy!

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Hey, watch your langage man! You can get a warning for saying that. Only mods are aloud to curse . The airforce wasnt even mentioned. But now that you bring it up, TAIWAN'S airforce is way too small to go up against the PLAAF. Second, the ROCAF is made mostly out of f-16s and f-15s etc. Your average US fighter, all which could be taken out by J-11s, J-12s, and J-10s. I wonder; America has some military instalations in Taiwan, if China attacks what will happen concerning those US bases?