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joshuatree

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May 31, 2015 Fiery Cross Reef/Island

Does the enhanced artificial coloring indicate local depth of surrounding waters? If so, it's interesting to note what appears to be several deep pools created right off the northern end of the runway. What are they for? Would seem to create navigational hazards.
 

Alvaritus

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A somewhat objective, comprehensive and unbiased article about the "Status Quo" in the SCS:

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As East Asia’s maritime disputes continue to bubble, concern with the “status quo” is emerging as a staple component of many countries’ official policies on the South China Sea. This raises several questions worthy of careful consideration. When and how did the term come to prominence? What exactly is the status quo in the South China Sea? How is the term used in practice, and how useful is it in relation to these disputes?

The term’s broad-brush vagueness – it simply means “the existing situation” – may make it appealing for practitioners of diplomacy, but the lack of clarity limits its usefulness as an analytic tool. More troublingly, being such an all-encompassing term, its use as a normative standard is inevitably selective, resulting in inconsistencies that risk breeding misunderstanding and mistrust. Unless used with care and nuance, it is a term that is more likely to undermine than underpin a “rules-based order” in maritime Asia.
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schenkus

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Does the enhanced artificial coloring indicate local depth of surrounding waters? If so, it's interesting to note what appears to be several deep pools created right off the northern end of the runway. What are they for? Would seem to create navigational hazards.

I think this might just be where dredgers cut into the reef for some material to create the Island. Ships will need to be careful in approaching all these harbours.
 

advill

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Status Quo to China refers to its "historical rights" i.e. the 9 dotted lines demarcating its territory (90 %of Southeast Asian waters), regardless of other claimants or international rulings. PLA-N's South China Fleet (the biggest of its Navy) will see that there will be no interference from other nations including the US. Interesting to watch developments in the region, and it does not bode well, as no country however small will want to be bullied and trampled.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Status Quo to China refers to its "historical rights" i.e. the 9 dotted lines demarcating its territory (90 %of Southeast Asian waters), regardless of other claimants or international rulings. PLA-N's South China Fleet (the biggest of its Navy) will see that there will be no interference from other nations including the US. Interesting to watch developments in the region, and it does not bode well, as no country however small will want to be bullied and trampled.
An alternative view is China looked at SCS status quo as ECS under Deng, meaning all sides Voldimort the topic and pass the problem to future generations. UNCLOS changed everything, because it compelled maritime states to file papers with the UN on what they say is theirs. Once that happened, it's Katie bar the door, and all hell breaks loose.

It is important to point out, "blue national soil" aside, China never officially claimed the water inside the hated and dreaded 9DL, and it would be a mistake to treat it as official position of the PRC. The best way forward is for China to clarify exactly what the 9DL means. If the entire Asian community, without the US, spoke as one voice, politely demanding (firm, but nice) China to clarify its claims, then maybe, just maybe we'll get some clarification. US should stay out because it will probably bring nothing but trouble to the party, and ultimatums doesn't work on Xi Jinping.
 

advill

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Good suggestion Blackstone, but ASEAN will never speak with one voice except making suggestions regarding the Code of Conduct. The aggrieved claimants especially Philippines and Vietnam, and now Malaysia (recent China's "Coast Guard" encroaching into its waters) have raised their ire about China's "pushiness". China had made its calculations and alternatively used Hard (naval/military) and Soft (diplomatic, economic etc.) as deemed fit. However, it would be a mistake if China underestimates US, the aggrieved and other concerned nations' resolve not to give in to unreasonable Chines demands and moves. Best to solve the problems with an "owlish" approach thru' negotiations, never the hawkish approach.
 

jkliz

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So I don't know much about US military protocol but would it be taken seriously if one of the ground based radars on the islands achieved a radar lock on a P-8? Even if the P-8s RWR doesn't detect any missiles launched at it?
 
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