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Yes...the Udaloy was primarily an ASW vessel. The Sovs were the primary vessels more oriented towards anti-ship, at sea warfare, from the period.
But the Udaloy IIs were going to be much more multi-mission. They only built the one (the other two were canceled and scrapped because of the Soviet fall), but that one is still active and does have good anti-surface capability.
Having said that, the SS-N-Silex missiles that the Udaloy I carried, though principally for anti-submarine work, did have a torpedo that could also be used for anti-surface targeting as well if I remember correctly. So...in a need, those missiles could be used to deliver torpedoes against other ships.
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thunderchief
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Well , in that case, could you please share with me blueprints for some oil tanker, if it isn't such a big deal
Jokes aside, blueprints are considered as a secret, both commercial and military . On the other hand, I'm fairly certain Russians do poses blueprints for Kunznetsov-class, Vikramidtya (of course) and most likely for Ulyanovsk. With that as a basis they could design larger STOBAR carrier , just like they design new ships all the time .
Catapults are a problem , of course . Neither Soviet Union nor Russia have much experience with steam catapults . Therefore, they would probably skip that altogether and try to develop EMALS. Could they do that I don't know, it is still uncharted territory .
Finally, Russia does poses shipyards capable of building large ships . They did replace miles of cables in Vikramidtya, they do have floating docs , cranes etc .. My final conclusion is that they do have infrastructure and know-how to build STOBAR carrier . And they would most likely hone those skills while they repair and refit Kuznetsov .
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Btw, for those who missed that , Kuznetsov is now undergoing major overhaul
kwaigonegin
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Well , in that case, could you please share with me blueprints for some oil tanker, if it isn't such a big deal
Jokes aside, blueprints are considered as a secret, both commercial and military . On the other hand, I'm fairly certain Russians do poses blueprints for Kunznetsov-class, Vikramidtya (of course) and most likely for Ulyanovsk. With that as a basis they could design larger STOBAR carrier , just like they design new ships all the time .
Catapults are a problem , of course . Neither Soviet Union nor Russia have much experience with steam catapults . Therefore, they would probably skip that altogether and try to develop EMALS. Could they do that I don't know, it is still uncharted territory .
Finally, Russia does poses shipyards capable of building large ships . They did replace miles of cables in Vikramidtya, they do have floating docs , cranes etc .. My final conclusion is that they do have infrastructure and know-how to build STOBAR carrier . And they would most likely hone those skills while they repair and refit Kuznetsov .
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Btw, for those who missed that , Kuznetsov is now undergoing major overhaul
Lol... You keep moving the goal post to my original respond to the article.. The article says a 100 aircraft 'advanced carrier'. In my mind that means CVN. Not a STOBAR and not a Vikramaditya. Russia IMHO DOES NOT have the capability to built a 100 aircraft 'advanced carrier' in the near future for reasons I have already stated in my previous posts.
Amen...which is what this whole discussion was about.
Precisely.
And I would argue that Russia, right now, could not build from scratch a Vikramaditya either. It took them the better part of then years to refit that existing hull into a STOBAR carrier.
Now, the Soviets built all of those vessels decades ago. But that expertise is gone...and the dollars and infrastructure is not available.
This is precisely why the Russians contracted with France to even build the two Mistrals. They themselves admitted at the time that they could not produce one of those LHDs now and that it would be ten years to even do that.
...and a 21,000 ton LHD is not a Super carrier either...and they were ten years away from being able to even build one of those.
So...in other words...ditto.
A variant with a warhead also but in use ?
85RU/URPK-5 Rastrub, KT-100U launcher. Entered service 1975. Carries UGMT-1 (AT-3 Orlan) anti- sub and anti-ship torpedo and is in addition anti-shipping missile with a warhead of 185 kg.
IIRC the flattops were designed in Leningrad.
I'm talking about where they were built. (Varyag, Kuznetsov). At these types of yards, there are entire groups of engineers who work with the fabrication process apart from the design of the carrier itself. They are the ones who engineer all of the jigs, tools, processes to put it together.
But the people designing a ship, an aircraft, a building, must know the methods that will be used to assemble it. Otherwise they will make expensive decisions.
They are two completely different disciplines.
They coordinate their activities and communicate...but the former is not steeped in the latter.
As I said...it is moot. They were designed and engineered long ago and built long ago...those who did so are all retired now (at the best).
Russia is simply in no position right now to build large aircraft carriers...or even LHDs. They have admitted this themselves.