ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Jeff Head

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Sad day for those people and for Iraq, Mirage.

Great effort went into freeing Ramadi from AQ Iraq...enlisting the help of the various tribal leaders and getting that done several years ago. Afterwards, things assumed a real sense of normalcy there.

That is out the window now.

Very sad to see 6-8000 Iraqi soldiers...armed with modern weapons far potent enough to stop an incursion when used by the proper forces...who then fold under the assault of several hundred dedicated ISIS soldiers.

IMHO, this reveals that the Iraqi army remains terribly led, and without strong commitment or discipline in its ranks. When you do not have that...it does not matter what neat weaponry, gadgets, etc. that you have.

A people...in the end...have to have the willingness to stand and fight...even against dedicated, ruthless, terrorizing personnel like ISIS throws into battle. To not do so...always invites worse once those tyrants gain control.

As I say...a sad day. My prayers are for the civilians and people in the city.
 

thunderchief

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Let's face it, Iraqi Army is not an army . It is not even a gang .

What it is actually is a huge welfare scam . You have people enlisting to get relatively secure income while pretending to be soldiers . You have people pretending to be officers, who got their jobs via political connections and bribes . You have corruption from top to bottom , all at the expense of tax payer .

Those people never intended to fight for anything . Most you could expect from them is to participate in some silly photo-op exercise and that is about it. When bullets start flying they would start fleeing , and that's about it .
 

Franklin

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It seems that the Islamic State (IS) is making progress on the otherside of the border in Syria too. The ancient city of Palmyra in central Syria has fallen to them as well.

Islamic State seizes ancient Palmyra city from Syrian forces

Islamic State insurgents stormed the historic Syrian city of Palmyra on Wednesday, fighting off pro-government forces who withdrew after evacuating most of the civilian population, state television said.

The capture of Palmyra is the first time the al Qaeda offshoot has taken control of a city directly from the Syrian army and allied forces, which have already lost ground in the northwest and south to other insurgent groups in recent weeks.

The central city, also known as Tadmur, is built alongside the remains of a oasis civilization whose colonnaded streets, temple and theater have stood for 2,000 years.

Islamic State has destroyed antiquities and ancient monuments in neighboring Iraq and is being targeted by U.S.-led air strikes in both countries.

Syria's antiquities chief called on the world to save its ancient monuments and state television said Islamic State fighters were trying to enter the city's historical sites.

Palmyra is also a strategic military gain, home to modern army installations and situated on a desert highway linking the capital Damascus with Syria's eastern provinces, mostly under insurgent control.

"Praise God, it has been liberated," said an Islamic State fighter speaking via the Internet from the Palmyra area. He said Islamic State was in control of a hospital in the city which Syrian forces had used as a base before withdrawing.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group said Islamic State had seized almost all of the city. It said it was unclear what had happened to forces stationed at an army outpost on its outskirts or the fate of a major military prison.

Syria's antiquities chief Maamoun Abdulkarim told Reuters earlier on Wednesday that hundreds of statues had been moved to safe locations but called on the Syrian army, opposition and international community to save the site.

"The fear is for the museum and the large monuments that cannot be moved," he said, "This is the entire world's battle."

WESTWARD MARCH

The attack is part of a westward advance by Islamic State that is adding to pressures on the overstretched military and allied militia. The group holds tracts of land in the north and east and is now edging towards the more heavily populated areas along its western flank.

In the east, U.S. special forces carried out a ground assault on Saturday against Islamic State and killed a militant believed to be in charge of the group's financial operations.

UNESCO called for called for international efforts to protect Palmyra's population "and safeguard the unique cultural heritage".

Palmyra's ancient monuments, which lie on the south-western fringe of the modern city, were put on UNESCO's World Heritage in danger list in 2013. The ruins were part of a desert oasis that was one of the most significant cultural centers of the ancient world.

Islamic State supporters posted pictures on social media showing what they said were gunmen in the streets of Palmyra, which is the location of one of Syria's biggest weapons depots as well as army bases, an airport and a major prison.

In the northeast, Kurdish forces backed by U.S.-led air strikes pressed an attack on Islamic State that has killed at least 170 members of the group this week, a Kurdish official and the Observatory said. U.S-led forces have concentrated their air strikes on Syria's north and east, areas out of government control.

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Miragedriver

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Fighters from
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of Iraq and the Levant (Isil)
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after taking complete control of the
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on Wednesday, a group monitoring the Syrian civil war has said.

Above: Smoke rises due to what, according to activists, was shelling from Isil fighters on Palmyra on May 19, 2015
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A picture allegedly showing an Isil fighter firing his weapon during a battle against Syrian government forces on a road between Homs and Palmyra, Syria
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The jihadists stormed the world heritage site of Palmyra on Wednesday night as Assad regime forces fled a major offensive in eastern Syria.

Above: Residents walking near a military truck that belongs to forces loyal to Syria's President Bashar al-Assad, near the historical city of Palmyra on May 19, 2015
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An image purportedly showing an Isil tank engaging with Syrian government forces between Homs and Palmyra
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Unesco called for a halt to the fighting around the site, which is a listed World Heritage site. 'It is imperative that all parties respect international obligations to protect cultural heritage during conflict, by avoiding direct targeting, as well as use for military purposes,' its director, Irina Bokova, said.

Above: Residents inspect damage near Fakhreddin's Castle, background, in Palmyra on May 19, 2015
Picture: Reuters


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Miragedriver

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Black columns of smoke rising through the air allegedly during a battle between Islamic State militants and the Syrian government forces on a road between Homs and Palmyra, Syria
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A general view of Palmyra's famous graves pictured on May 19, 2015
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A soldier loyal to president Bashar al-Assad carries his weapon in Palmyra on May 19, 2015
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An image purportedly showing Islamic State fighters taking cover during a battle against Syrian government forces on a road between Homs and Palmyra
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Miragedriver

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A road sign is pictured in Palmyra on May 19, 2015
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A general view of Palmyra's famous graves ion May 19, 2015
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An image allegedly showing an Islamic State fighter aiming his weapon during a battle against the Syrian government forces on a road between Homs and Palmyra
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Syria's UNESCO world heritage site of Palmyra is under threat from Islamic State fighters. The city was founded in the second millenium BC, and was an important stop for caravans crossing the Syrian desert. It became prosperous under the Roman empire, and reached its pinnacle of importance in the second century AD.


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Damage caused by shelling to a wall in the ancient oasis city of Palmyra


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Miragedriver

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Sad day for those people and for Iraq, Mirage.

Great effort went into freeing Ramadi from AQ Iraq...enlisting the help of the various tribal leaders and getting that done several years ago. Afterwards, things assumed a real sense of normalcy there.

That is out the window now.

Very sad to see 6-8000 Iraqi soldiers...armed with modern weapons far potent enough to stop an incursion when used by the proper forces...who then fold under the assault of several hundred dedicated ISIS soldiers.

IMHO, this reveals that the Iraqi army remains terribly led, and without strong commitment or discipline in its ranks. When you do not have that...it does not matter what neat weaponry, gadgets, etc. that you have.

A people...in the end...have to have the willingness to stand and fight...even against dedicated, ruthless, terrorizing personnel like ISIS throws into battle. To not do so...always invites worse once those tyrants gain control.

As I say...a sad day. My prayers are for the civilians and people in the city.

Very sad indeed. This brutality by ISIS is on par or exceeds the unbridled savagery committed by the Waffen SS in Eastern Europe.
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Miragedriver

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Resident: ISIS is 'everywhere,' in full control of ancient Syrian city of Palmyra

(CNN)"They are everywhere."

That is the stark observation about
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fighters in Palmyra from a 26-year-old resident there, detailing the terrorist group's swift, destructive takeover of yet another city in its quest to brutally expand its caliphate.


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SampanViking

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The Syrian army could hold Palmyra at heavy cost and the world would be happy to let the fight rumble on without too much attention.
If however they decide to conserve their forces and withdraw to a stronger position, it is suddenly international news.
I am aware, that in addition to the Roman Ruins, there is a also a major Gas Field near by. I also wonder how this works in relation to the direct proximity of ISIS and Al Nusra and whether the SAA withdrawal leaves these two extremist groups challenging each other for the Gas Field?
 
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