PLAN overseas deployment and excercises a list

joshuatree

Captain
Perhaps there is also a chinese submarine in the area that might join the exercise ?
Would China be willing to send a submarine through the Suez channel ? Perhaps making a stop in Egypt trying to generate some sales ?


I don't think China's gotten to a comfortable point yet with routine long distance sub patrols. So I lean on them not sending a sub to a first joint exercise in waters that are also relatively new to them. Also, it would seem to be the wrong sub to demo for export sales, unless you're thinking about a patrol with a diesel sub.
 

Tyloe

Junior Member
According to the Russian MoD the 19th escort task group will soon arrive to the port of Novorossiysk before 9th of May when the Victory Parade commences in Moscow, and together with the Black Sea Fleet and will head to Mediterranean Sea. The Joint Sea 2015 exercise will last between May 11-21.
 

Tyloe

Junior Member
The 19th Escort Task Group has finally arrived to Novorossiysk and in time for Victory Day's celebration. Joint Command and its headquarters will be based at Divnomorskoye. On Monday the group will sail with Russia's Black Sea Fleet to the Mediterranean Sea to commence their naval exercise.
Chinese combat ships arrive in Russia's Novorossiysk for first time
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After the Victory Day festivities, the Chinese combat ships will sail together with Russian warships to the Mediterranean for naval drills dubbed Joint Sea 2015

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MOSCOW, May 8. /TASS/. A group of Chinese combat ships has arrived for the first time at Russia’s Novorossiysk naval base on an official visit, Russian Navy spokesman Captain First Rank Igor Dygalo said on Friday.

"The group of combat ships comprises the Linyi and Weifang escort vessels," the spokesman said.

As the Chinese ships entered the Tsemess Bay, a Salute of Nations was fired from 21 artillery guns aboard the ships and a costal battery of the Novorossiysk naval base fired a return salute from 21 guns.

Russian Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief, Vice-Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov and Chinese Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief, Vice-Admiral Du Czinchen took part in the ceremony of receiving China’s combat ships in Novorossiysk. The reception ceremony was also attended by the Novorossiysk city administration and officers of the joint command of Russia-China naval drills scheduled to take part in the Mediterranean Sea.

The group of the Chinese combat ships will participate in the celebration of the 70th anniversary of the Soviet Victory over Nazi Germany in WWII.

On Russia’s behalf, the Pytlivy escort ship and the Samum missile-carrying hovercraft of the Black Sea Fleet will participate in the May 9 festivities in the Hero City of Novorossiysk, which was the scene of fierce fighting between Soviet troops and fascist invaders during the Soviet Union’s Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945, Russian Navy Chief Viktor Chirkov said on Friday.

After the festivities, the Chinese combat ships will sail together with Russian warships to the Mediterranean Sea for naval drills dubbed Joint Sea 2015.

The ceremony of opening the drills will take place in Novorossiysk on May 11 while the active phase of the naval exercises will take place on May 16-21 in the Mediterranean Sea.

Russia, China set up headquarters in Novorossiysk for Joint Sea 2015 naval drills
Russia and China have set up headquarters at Russia’s Novorossiysk naval base to exercise command and control over Joint Sea 2015 naval drills, Russian Navy spokesman Captain First Rank Igor Dygalo said on Thursday.

"In order to exercise control over the Joint Sea 2015 drills, which will be held in the Mediterranean Sea in the second ten-day period of May, a joint command of the exercises has been set up along with the joint command headquarters and the headquarters of the grouping at sea and the command posts of the participating ships' tactical groups," the spokesman said.

The joint command and its headquarters will be located at the Divnomorskoye coordination center near Novorossiysk. The headquarters of the combat ships’ grouping and the tactical groups’ command posts will be located aboard the ships, the Russian Navy spokesman said.

The joint command will include officers from the Russian and Chinese navies. Command and control of the joint drills will be exercised by Russian Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief, Vice-Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov and Chinese Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief, Vice-Admiral Du Czinchen.

Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Tuesday the subject of the joint drills was the protection of navigation safety in the remote areas of the World Ocean.

"The main aim of the exercises is to further deepen friendly and practical interaction between the two countries and strengthen joint efforts for countering naval security threats at sea," the ministry said.

The Russia-China naval drills "are not aimed against any third country and have no relation to the political situation in the region," the Russian Defense Ministry said.

The Joint Sea 2015 exercises will involve about 10 warships from the Russian and Chinese navies, Russia's Defense Ministry said.

China’s Defense Ministry said earlier nine surface ships would take part in the joint naval drills, including the Linyi, Weifang and Weishanhu warships from the Chinese navy.

The sailors will practice "maritime defense, maritime replenishment, escort actions, joint operations to safeguard navigation security as well as real weapon firing drill.".
 

delft

Brigadier
I'm unaware of Russian replenishment ships. Do they have any or is this exercise a means to introduce the Chinese ship to them?
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
I'm unaware of Russian replenishment ships. Do they have any or is this exercise a means to introduce the Chinese ship to them?

The Russians actually operate a couple of classes of AOR vessels.

First, you have the:

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Boris Chilikin class AOR

They have six of these vessels that displace 22,500 tons full load. They are generally armed with a couple of 57mm guns.

Then they have the single:

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Berezina-D AOR Vessel

This vessel displaces 40,000 tons full load and is more significantly aremd with two AK-725 guns, four AK-630 CIWS, and a OSam missile launcer with 20 933m missiles.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Perhaps there is also a chinese submarine in the area that might join the exercise ?
Would China be willing to send a submarine through the Suez channel ? Perhaps making a stop in Egypt trying to generate some sales ?

China does not forward deploy any submarines, so having a SSK or SSN is out of the question

They have deployed a SSK for anti piracy missions but it was kept low profile we only heard about it after the deployment

Transiting the Suez is a no easy task and even more so for a submarine, they need to apply for permission to Egypt and permission is down to the authority's, the transit must be done while surfacing and also calls for a armed land escort traveling along the sailing submarine

The current situation now is even more difficult, the "waiting area" is also a hotspot and a surfaced submarine is very vulnerable target even for a RPG, the international embarrassment for Egypt and China would be bad imagine

Royal Navy SSN always go this route but they have time it 100s of times

Having said that it would be a great learning for the Chinese SSN captain to do such a mission

My question however is, where the 889 tanker which was with the 19th anti piracy mission, only the two FFGs transited the Turkish Straits I have a feeling it's waiting in the Mediterranean and did not transit into the Black Sea maybe to save on cost!? Who knows it might show up during the China and Russia drills

Having said all of that I think China should now start to deploy the LPDs in more numbers and also start on submarines patrols in outside oceans

This will lead the way for LHD and carrier opps in the future

All that said 20 anti piracy missions in almost 7 years has given China lots and lots of experience in operating at sea and now they are also passing this on to other country's during the port visits, they hold seminars and talks on the missions completed and talk about the challenges they faced, even when they visited uk they had a whole load of information on Gulf of Aden missions
 
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