SSN Thread (older operational, but not PLAN)

antiterror13

Brigadier
Are the Indians allowed to use the leased SSN during a war? with a possibility get sunk?
I believe India is the first country to lease SSN.

It costs India over $1B for 10 years
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
I believe India is the first country to lease SSN.
First country but second lease after one Charlie I 25 years ago, usable during a war normaly yes and if sunk ofc India pay... for to be sure should know the contract that must surely include hundreds of pages for this type of weapons is not a AIFV...
 
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Bernard

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Just an awesome article about my favorite Submarine Class... The Seawolf!

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Submarines are a lot like Batman, they are covered in rubber and are great fighters, but they are gadget toting stealth detectives at their core. Of the Navy’s sub force, there is no boat more capable at sleuthing under the high seas than the heavily modified Seawolf Class submarine, the USS Jimmy Carter SSN-23.

The 12,150 ton displacement USS Jimmy Carter, whose namesake qualified in Submarines during his pre-Presidential naval career, is one of only three Seawolf Class submarines ever built. The Seawolfs are relics of the final stages of the Cold War and are the most lethal
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ever created. The F-22 Raptors of the sea, they could dive incredibly deep, could haul along at speeds approaching 40 knots, and they were quieter than any other nuclear submarine on the planet. They were also armed with a cache of 50 weapons and wide 660mm torpedo tubes.


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Seeing as the first boat was launched during the “peace dividend” years of the 1990s, its $3B price tag was thought to be too high and its ‘blue water’ sub hunting mission was becoming a secondary priority for the US Navy as the majority of Russia’s submarine fleet was rotting next to a pier. Instead, future subs would need to be more multi-role minded
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and be more at home in shallow, littoral environments close to shore. As a result, the Seawolf class was replaced by the smaller, cheaper, and somewhat more flexible Virginia Class that remains in serial production today.

Regardless of the type’s cancellation, the Navy did receive three Seawolf Class boats, the Seawolf, Connecticut and the Jimmy Carter. With the Jimmy Carter, the Navy took advantage of the Seawolf Class’sdeep-diving and ultra-quiet capabilities and created a one-off subclass that would become part of a small but very proud lineage of shadowy American submarines that were highly modified for clandestine surveillance and espionage operations.

The Jimmy Carter, which was commissioned in 2005, differs from the standard Seawolf Class submarine via a slew of modifications made during her initial construction. A massive 100 foot long hull extension gives the Jimmy Carter a length only second to the
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Ohio Class Submarines (SSBN/SSGN) in US inventory. This extension, called the Multi-Mission Platform, is described as a ‘moon bay’ with an hourglass shaped passage running down the center of it.

This rounded underwater hangar of sorts can hold outsized deep-diving vehicles, unmanned vehicles, custom-built heavy machinery, spools of cable, special forces supplies and craft, deployable sensors and weapons, along with just about anything else you can imagine. Through a lockout chamber system built within the MMP hold, divers, commandos and remotely operated vehicles can be deployed and recovered.

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Other modifications to the Jimmy Carter include a set of precision thrusters, both fore and aft, that allow the sub to hold its position perfectly within space while conducting sensitive mechanical operations or when quietly trawling shallow waters. The Carter also has a large reconfigurable cargo bay, just off the MMP’s lockout chamber/ocean interface, for servicing vehicles and preparing for clandestine missions.

A modular command center can also be tailored to the specific mission at hand, with different configurations available for special operations, deep sea espionage, mine warfare, specialized sensor or
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deployment and just about any other mission you can think of.

The Jimmy Carter’s mast can be easily adapted to sport unique, purpose-built electronic surveillance and communications sensors. There is also said to be a remotely operated vehicle handling system that may feature the ability to recover autonomous vehicles and even aerial drones with limited human direction.

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Finally, SSN-23 can accommodate an extra 50 commandos or mission personnel above the standard crew size of about 130. Instead of sleeping in the torpedo room or other improvised areas as is common for special operations soldiers aboard submarines, this berthing was built into the original ship’s design, making long endurance deployments more palatable.

Because the hull was lengthened 100 feet to accommodate many of the Jimmy Carter’s additional capabilities, the boat did not have to give up the baseline Seawolf Class
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and strike abilities. This means the vessel can protect itself in hostile waters or be tasked for traditional fast attack submarine duties, although it seems like this may be a fairly rare occurrence.

So what does the Jimmy Carter do with all its modifications? Like its USS Halibut, USS Seawolf, USS Richard Russell and USS Parche, which were modified ‘special mission’ subs that came before it, the Jimmy Carter conducts espionage, and could even conduct sabotage, in a variety of manners.

Its ability to hold perfectly on station at great depths, all while deploying custom built ROVs and other elaborate hardware, allows it to tap communications and data cables running along the sea floor. In the past, this was done by splicing in tailor made recording devices, leaving them for a period of time, and recovering them at a later date for exploitation. Today, in an age of fiber optics, more exotic forms of real-time seabed-based communication eavesdropping could theoretically be facilitated by the Jimmy Carter, with the NSA rumored to one of the boat’s biggest ‘customers.’

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Tapping the world’s massive underwater arteries of data is one thing, but the Carter could also be able to sabotage communications nodes via simply cutting through the wire with large claws or torches, or by setting up mechanisms that could do similar tasks on command sometime in the future, should the need arise. Much of this technology has been pioneered in the deep sea oil drilling field (think
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), which can be adapted and used ‘off label’ for military purposes. Such an ability could partially blind the enemy and limit their global situational awareness and command and control capabilities during a time of war without actually ‘kinetically’
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in a traditional sense.

The Carter can also use its underwater manipulation abilities and sensors to find things that foreign governments have lost. Not only can it examine those things up close on the sea floor, but if they are within the dimensions of the sub’s MMP bays, it can recover them and transport them to a safe place for further examination.

The Jimmy Carter can also perform passive signals and communications intelligence missions via moving in close to a country’s shoreline and utilizing its easily customizable
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. This can be as focused as searching for a single cellular phone transmission in a city, to soaking up an enemy’s electronic order of battle, including air and sea defense radar emissions and command and control communications and data exchanges.

Although all fast attack and guided missile submarines have these capabilities to varying degrees, the Carter’s modular mission center and adaptable systems allow for the installation of new, experimental sensors and command and control interfaces without heavily interrupting the boat’s normal operations or demanding long in-port modification timelines.

Not enough space for whole article go check the rest of it out.
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I wish that I would have never known this. Some things I wish it was kept secret. Except it doesn't tell the enemy much. But let's them know it's there. And also hope it makes them worried about the shit that they don't tell us about.
 

delft

Brigadier
Is there a way for submarines to be replenished at sea or must it be at port? Has it been attempted and how common?
In WWI Germany developed a cargo submarine to maintain trade contact with US despite the UK blockage. One voyage was made and I happen to own a small book written by the captain describing the boat and that voyage, but I haven't yet read it. That cargo submarine concept was used to resupply German submarines in WWII near the Azores until halve way through the war when losses became too high. The cargo subs were called milch cow in the English translation.
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Is there a way for submarines to be replenished at sea or must it be at port? Has it been attempted and how common?
With Submarines tenders but only USN and Soviet/Russian have it, some was carrying also SLBM, retired now, but in practice seems very difficult or with a calm sea as a lake :)

For fuel possible in port but with very good Allies stay rare in fact.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
With Submarines tenders but only USN and Soviet/Russian have it... but in practice seems very difficult or with a calm sea as a lake :)

For fuel possible in port but with very good Allies stay rare in fact.
One of the advantages of nuclear submarines. They do not have to replenish fuel. The US Navy does not need to replenish fuel to its subs at sea.

US nuclear submarines carry a good load of weapons and take enough food and other supplies for the duration of their mission.

But they all have replenishment markers on the deck of the sub for VERTREP. This can be for supplies, material, or personnel as the following pictures attest.


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SamuraiBlue

Captain
With Submarines tenders but only USN and Soviet/Russian have it, some was carrying also SLBM, retired now, but in practice seems very difficult or with a calm sea as a lake :)

For fuel possible in port but with very good Allies stay rare in fact.

No Japan and Germany has sub tenders as well.
JS-Chiyoda (AS-405) obtains sub tender capabilities as well as sub rescue capabilities.
The Germans has the
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Both are capable of refueling subs at sea.
 
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