Chinese Biosecurity News - Level 4 Labs, etc.

Ultra

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There seems to be only one BSL-4 lab (Wuhan Institute of Virology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences) in all of China - which sounds incredibly absurd as China is a hotbed for infectious diseases since ancient time (eg. the bubonic plague, Black Death).

I tried to search the forum and this doesn't seem to be discussed.
I would imagine this is probably one of the most important topic concerning strategic defense - one of the weakest link in China's national defense (as seen time and again how lax their biosecurity was in the past).

The close proximity of people due to the high density living means China is incredibly weak against a this type of attack, and the lack of facilities to even analyse pathogen means China is basically a sitting duck for this type of attack.

If you look at the list of BSL-4 labs around the world, US has over 15 BSL-4 labs alone (and an amazing 1,356 BSL-3 labs!). Even India has 4 BSL-4 labs and Taiwan has 2 BSL-4 labs.
 
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Ultra

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BTW, China just inaugurated its first (and only) BLS-4 (P4) lab 10 days ago:


Lab joins fight against invisible killers
China Daily, February 6, 2015

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"It kills. It can affect humans and animals. It is incredibly small and can be seen only with extremely strong microscopes. It is a virus.

Experts say the only way to fight such invisible threats is to understand them better, and that is why the country has built its first biosafety level-4, or P4, laboratory.

The facility at Wuhan, the capital of Hubei province, was inaugurated on Saturday.

The BSL-4 designation applies to laboratories that take the highest level of biosafety precautions to enable researchers to work with the most dangerous viruses, such as Marburg, Variola and, of course, Ebola.

The latest figures show that, as of Sunday, 22,495 people have been infected and 8,981 have died in the current Ebola outbreak in West Africa.

"Only with such high standards of protection can we carry out experiments with live fatal viruses, instead of gene or protein fragments of them," said Yuan Zhiming, director of the Wuhan lab.

"Globalization and lifestyle changes pose serious challenges to public health by creating and spreading emerging infectious diseases. Building high-protection-level laboratories is an effective way to help control diseases."


Asia's first P4 lab

Previous media reports said there are 59 P4 laboratories worldwide, though many are not operational.

Yuan estimates there are more than 20 P4 laboratories in service worldwide in countries such as the United States, Britain, Germany, France, Canada, Australia and Switzerland.

However, the existence of some of them has not been officially confirmed by the governments concerned.

"When China's P4 laboratory is formally put into service, it will be the first operating P4 laboratory in Asia, and will definitely contribute to the prevention and control of infectious diseases," Yuan said.

The laboratory will be run on a trial basis for up to 18 months, and will then go into full service provided it receives approval from the central government.

Scientists from home and abroad will be able to use the centers's three cellular level laboratories, two animal laboratories, anatomy room and virus storage room.

Chen Xinwen, director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, said, "A P4 laboratory is different from other large-scale science facilities, as anyone who enters has to have completed security training."

The institute is the laboratory's parent body and took part in its design and construction with the help of the Jean Merieux Laboratory, a P4 facility in Lyon, France.

At present, only six Chinese scientists have been trained to work in P4 facilities. The scientists from Wuhan traveled to Lyon to learn the necessary security procedures.

"Now we have sent a second group of people for training, including some key employees like maintenance personnel," Chen said.

Hu Zhihong, a leading virologist, is one of the six scientists trained in the first group.

"The unique thing about a P4 laboratory is the high level of security," she said.

Everyone who enters the experiment zone has to wear spacesuit-like protective clothing with its own air supply.

After changing into the suit, the researchers take a disinfectant shower and pass through a vacuum room before entering the lab.

"Entering a P4 lab usually takes 30 minutes longer than the time needed to enter a lower-level P3 lab, and you have to go through the same procedures every time you walk from one room to another inside the experiment zone," Hu said.

"As a result, an experiment that takes no more than half an hour in normal circumstances will take two to three hours in a P4 laboratory."

The air in the experiment zone is kept at a much lower pressure than the atmosphere outside the building, and this partial vacuum helps to prevent contamination.

Yuan said: "Vacuums, waste treatment and rigorous security procedures are at the heart of a P4 laboratory.

"Vacuums ensure that the viruses do not escape through the air; waste treatment prevents them from spreading through waste water or other experimental material; and the procedures protect researchers from infection.

"Everything that enters the experimental zone will not leave there alive - except for the researchers."

Creating such tight containment is easier said than done. It has taken 11 years to build the Wuhan facility since the project was given the green light by the government.

China decided to build a P4 laboratory in 2003, when the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome spread alarm across the country.

There were 8,096 cases and 774 deaths in a number countries, with the majority occurring in Hong Kong between Nov 2002 and July 2003.



Top priority

In April 2003, France's then-prime minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin visited China, and the two countries agreed to cooperate over infectious disease control. The construction of the P4 laboratory was regarded as a top priority.

"The cooperation with our French partners assured the completion of the P4 facility, improved our capacity to design, construct and operate the laboratory, and helped our personnel training," Yuan said.

The short-term goal of the laboratory is to carry out research on two or three viruses that pose the most immediate threat to China, including Ebola.

In the long run, it aims to become the World Health Organization's fifth reference laboratory - such labs are able to identify unknown emerging infectious diseases.

"There are no national boundaries for disease control," Yuan said. "We expect to extend our cooperation to all other P4 laboratories to make our laboratory a significant platform for virus research worldwide."


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So, basically, there are only 6 scientists / virologists in ALL OF CHINA who knows how to operate the only BSL-4 / P4 lab in China.

Also, the above reporting is quite wrong about China being the first operator of BSL-4 lab in Asia - there are 4 BSL-4 labs in India, 2 in Taiwan, 1 in South Korea, and 1 in Singapore.
 

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There seems to be only one BSL-4 lab (Wuhan Institute of Virology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences) in all of China - which sounds incredibly absurd as China is a hotbed for infectious diseases since ancient time (eg. the bubonic plague, Black Death).

I tried to search the forum and this doesn't seem to be discussed.
I would imagine this is probably one of the most important topic concerning strategic defense - one of the weakest link in China's national defense (as seen time and again how lax their biosecurity was in the past).

The close proximity of people due to the high density living means China is incredibly weak against a this type of attack, and the lack of facilities to even analyse pathogen means China is basically a sitting duck for this type of attack.

If you look at the list of BSL-4 labs around the world, US has over 15 BSL-4 labs alone (and an amazing 1,356 BSL-3 labs!). Even India has 4 BSL-4 labs and Taiwan has 2 BSL-4 labs.

Hardly an area in which I can claim any knowledge, but my initial response after reading your post is to think that; given the ease with which the terms BSL-4 and Bioweapon Research Facility appear to be interchangeable, I would not be very surprised to learn that China is not as forthcoming over the existence of such facilities as maybe some other countries.
 

Ultra

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Hardly an area in which I can claim any knowledge, but my initial response after reading your post is to think that; given the ease with which the terms BSL-4 and Bioweapon Research Facility appear to be interchangeable, I would not be very surprised to learn that China is not as forthcoming over the existence of such facilities as maybe some other countries.


I understand that China is not exactly the most forthcoming country in the world in term of disclosing its military and national security assets, but the news that its very FIRST BSL-4 lab should tell you something - that this lab just finished construction, and being the first BSL-4 lab, it will take years (maybe even a decade) before China will start constructing more of it because it is normal Chinese policy to experiment and test out new things (eg. such as SEZ, or the Liaoning CV) after which they are getting successful results they will finally start expanding production (or construction) of it.

So for now, and the foreseeable future this will be the only BSL-4 lab.
 

montyp165

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I understand that China is not exactly the most forthcoming country in the world in term of disclosing its military and national security assets, but the news that its very FIRST BSL-4 lab should tell you something - that this lab just finished construction, and being the first BSL-4 lab, it will take years (maybe even a decade) before China will start constructing more of it because it is normal Chinese policy to experiment and test out new things (eg. such as SEZ, or the Liaoning CV) after which they are getting successful results they will finally start expanding production (or construction) of it.

So for now, and the foreseeable future this will be the only BSL-4 lab.

Given circumstances like the recent Ebola spread upon others, it may be necessary to build more BSL-4 labs in the interim before the desired level of operational experience and use is achieved.
 

vesicles

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A haarp like equipment can be used to hot and cold down the air so that microbs be destroyed.

What?? What are you talking about. The human body is one of the most vulnerable among all living species on this planet. Our bodies lack the heat / cold tolerance that even other mammals have, let alone bacteria and viruses... If we play with temperature, we will be long gone before any microbes could even feel anything...
 

Victor1985

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No is not. Microbs and bacteria have less tolerance than humans. There is no bacteria that resist to a change in temperature from - 10 to + 30. Because those that resist at 30 dont resist at - 10 and those resist at - 10 cant resist at 30. There is no bacteria and virus to deal all this interval of temperature. And creating one in lab is hard. What flesh maked organism could resist? Humans? Yes but humans have thermo adjustable mecanisms. How you can put that to a microb?
 

Ultra

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No is not. Microbs and bacteria have less tolerance than humans. There is no bacteria that resist to a change in temperature from - 10 to + 30. Because those that resist at 30 dont resist at - 10 and those resist at - 10 cant resist at 30. There is no bacteria and virus to deal all this interval of temperature. And creating one in lab is hard. What flesh maked organism could resist? Humans? Yes but humans have thermo adjustable mecanisms. How you can put that to a microb?



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I guess you never heard of Deinococcus radiodurans.
it is very resistant to extreme temperatures and even worse, it can't be kill by radiation it can withstand radiation level that's 6000 times the human tolerance. It can also survive cold, dehydration, vacuum, and
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There is also the Tardigrade which can survive temperatures from -253°C to 151°C, as well as exposure to x-rays, and vacuum conditions. Although this one cannot be categorize as bacteria.
 
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