German Airbus 320 Crash in the Alps

SampanViking

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I am rather saddened at the ease at which so many are prepared to label the lad as an Homicidal Psychotic Maniac as the first option and on the basis on no solid evidence what so ever.
Its also ironic, given the desire to avoid conspiracy theories, that we are presented with an official narrative, that is; in its own way, as out there as Attempted Alien Abduction.

There are a host of other possibilities which are far more likely; have a far higher degree of probability, before we have to accept the official line.

The official story appears to be (today - it does actually change day to day in quite significant ways) that the lad was suffering some sort of serious mental illness, that he was managing to hide from his employer and his colleagues or that the doctors did not seem fit to notify the pilots licensing authority.
That he acted on the spur of the moment when left alone, to put the plane in a shallow dive and crash it; remaining so ice cool throughout, he did not even get an adrenalin rush.

Where do you even start with a load Bravo Sierra like that?
If somebody is that ill (not just a bit depressed but, in full blown paranoid/psychotic delusional crisis, it would be noticed. People in this state, look terrible, smell even worse and are highly unlikely to actually turn up to work in the first place.

It is difficult to see how this could have been planned.
There is no suicide note and the flight only lasts 2 hours, which means that it is highly unlikely that the Captain would need to leave the Cabin while in flight. So unless the Captain had a notoriously weak bladder or was of the Glen Quagmire mould and active in induction new stewardesses into the Mile High Club, a planned event seems highly unlikely.
One caveat of course: if the Captain was a Quagmire and picked the "wrong" stewardess, you may have a possible motive, but that is still screamingly extreme. A little "unexpected turbulence" would be far more effective.

Spur of the moment and cool as a cucumber just does not marry.
If he had a message, something to say, a point to prove and a single remote opportunity, the voice cockpit recorder would be the perfect medium to get out, once he had every bodies attention.
Finally staying cool as cucumber. That is the clincher, its impossible.
For those who do not believe me, here is something really stupid you should not try.
Take your Car, find a sturdy brink or concrete wall, place your phone on Voice Record mode and play Chicken with yourself; driving at the wall at full speed and only breaking at the last moment. Then listen to your phones playback.

If the stories being published today have any truth in them, then I think I would rejig the scenario I posted yesterday and replace with a neurological condition.
I would say replace pills with a slow onset Epileptic Fit and you can recreate the events perfectly. I am sure there are other conditions not dissimilar in effect.

The lad may have been a reckless fool for trying to hide something, but lets not label him a deranged monster, until its clear that there is no other explanation.
 

pla101prc

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I am rather saddened at the ease at which so many are prepared to label the lad as an Homicidal Psychotic Maniac as the first option and on the basis on no solid evidence what so ever.
Its also ironic, given the desire to avoid conspiracy theories, that we are presented with an official narrative, that is; in its own way, as out there as Attempted Alien Abduction.

There are a host of other possibilities which are far more likely; have a far higher degree of probability, before we have to accept the official line.

The official story appears to be (today - it does actually change day to day in quite significant ways) that the lad was suffering some sort of serious mental illness, that he was managing to hide from his employer and his colleagues or that the doctors did not seem fit to notify the pilots licensing authority.
That he acted on the spur of the moment when left alone, to put the plane in a shallow dive and crash it; remaining so ice cool throughout, he did not even get an adrenalin rush.

Where do you even start with a load Bravo Sierra like that?
If somebody is that ill (not just a bit depressed but, in full blown paranoid/psychotic delusional crisis, it would be noticed. People in this state, look terrible, smell even worse and are highly unlikely to actually turn up to work in the first place.

It is difficult to see how this could have been planned.
There is no suicide note and the flight only lasts 2 hours, which means that it is highly unlikely that the Captain would need to leave the Cabin while in flight. So unless the Captain had a notoriously weak bladder or was of the Glen Quagmire mould and active in induction new stewardesses into the Mile High Club, a planned event seems highly unlikely.
One caveat of course: if the Captain was a Quagmire and picked the "wrong" stewardess, you may have a possible motive, but that is still screamingly extreme. A little "unexpected turbulence" would be far more effective.

Spur of the moment and cool as a cucumber just does not marry.
If he had a message, something to say, a point to prove and a single remote opportunity, the voice cockpit recorder would be the perfect medium to get out, once he had every bodies attention.
Finally staying cool as cucumber. That is the clincher, its impossible.
For those who do not believe me, here is something really stupid you should not try.
Take your Car, find a sturdy brink or concrete wall, place your phone on Voice Record mode and play Chicken with yourself; driving at the wall at full speed and only breaking at the last moment. Then listen to your phones playback.

If the stories being published today have any truth in them, then I think I would rejig the scenario I posted yesterday and replace with a neurological condition.
I would say replace pills with a slow onset Epileptic Fit and you can recreate the events perfectly. I am sure there are other conditions not dissimilar in effect.

The lad may have been a reckless fool for trying to hide something, but lets not label him a deranged monster, until its clear that there is no other explanation.
so you are saying that lufthansa is covering its own behind by shifting the blame of this tragedy from medication, which would inculpate them for breaching relevant flight restrictions, to psychological issues, which won't absolve them of negligence but could be argued to have been difficult to monitor.
 

plawolf

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so you are saying that lufthansa is covering its own behind by shifting the blame of this tragedy from medication, which would inculpate them for breaching relevant flight restrictions, to psychological issues, which won't absolve them of negligence but could be argued to have been difficult to monitor.

More than that, if they can paint this as the crazed act of a lone psycho, who lied and hid his condition, that would absolve them of pretty much all responsibility so long as they followed industry guidelines and legal requirements when it came to medicals and evaluations.

In that scenario, the airline would be as much a victim as the passengers, and it would be all but impossible for them to be given the kind of fines and damages as would happen if the crash was the result of an accident which in turn would likely have been the result of some sort of negligence in maintenance.

I'm not saying that is what is happening, but it is a very powerful motive for the airline to jump onboard this theory.
 

AssassinsMace

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I don't how the laws of liability of France or Germany work but in the US, it's irrelevant if the co-pilot had mental problems or if were a malfunction. The airliner is responsible for both since they hired the guy in the first place or records show the plane was not properly maintained. Even it turns out to be a design flaw the airliner takes some of the responsibility even though the aircraft maker would be held more liable. It doesn't serve the airline company any good maligning their own pilot because they didn't scrutinize his hiring or as an employee, so it's their fault anyway.

For something like MH370, It could've been a malfunction. It could've been a crazed pilot or a conspiracy. All I know is the whole thing in a mysterious limbo as it is now happens to be the best case for all parties that would be held responsible in any scenario. Not knowing what happened prevents the fullest extent on liability from being carried out.
 
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