052/052B Class Destroyers

joshuatree

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I hope it is not going to be used as target practice :eek:


Don't think there has been an announcement of decomission. So I doubt it's being prepped for target practice.

Upgrading it to an ASW platform would be rather useful considering its hangar is large enough for two helos. Removal of stacks does present the potential for propulsion upgrade.

Wishlist I have would be to replace open railings with the solid railings like 056 to reduce RCS. Also reduce size of rear openings. Drop in 8 cell universal VLS per standards set not too long ago. Have yet to see actual deployment of the smallest VLS per the standard. One FL-3000N on each front side of hangar in place of the old AA. Maybe a single CIWS on center area rear of hangar. As mentioned earlier, replace most box launchers with ASW missiles and a few ASuW for defense. Install TAS and VDS in stern. Maybe it can sport the hypothetical 054B sensor mast seen tested at the land based mockups. Would make a great asset in a CBG as its size will give it the endurance and PLAN has a need for more ASW capability. So an overhaul is extensive but it already appears they have done a lot of work taking out systems. When fully refurbed, it can easily serve 20 more years.
 

tphuang

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Don't think there has been an announcement of decomission. So I doubt it's being prepped for target practice.

Upgrading it to an ASW platform would be rather useful considering its hangar is large enough for two helos. Removal of stacks does present the potential for propulsion upgrade.

Wishlist I have would be to replace open railings with the solid railings like 056 to reduce RCS. Also reduce size of rear openings. Drop in 8 cell universal VLS per standards set not too long ago. Have yet to see actual deployment of the smallest VLS per the standard. One FL-3000N on each front side of hangar in place of the old AA. Maybe a single CIWS on center area rear of hangar. As mentioned earlier, replace most box launchers with ASW missiles and a few ASuW for defense. Install TAS and VDS in stern. Maybe it can sport the hypothetical 054B sensor mast seen tested at the land based mockups. Would make a great asset in a CBG as its size will give it the endurance and PLAN has a need for more ASW capability. So an overhaul is extensive but it already appears they have done a lot of work taking out systems. When fully refurbed, it can easily serve 20 more years.
that seems like something PLAN might do, but i personally don't see the point of keeping 167 in service for another 20 years.
 

Jeff Head

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View attachment 13823 DDG 168 undergoing upgrade refitting. The main gun is gone.View attachment 13822

Sorry wrong threat, could the mod please move this to 052B threat?
Hmm... could be they are going to replace the old gun with the newer 130mm one.

It will be interesting to watch because I am sure that the new gun and its stores are heavier than the other, so if they decided to replace it they would have to compensate for that in the vessel for handling purposes.
 

damitch300

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Or the gun has been taken to a maintainer facility to update it to be brand new.
Something that happens at many warships overtime.
You cant maintain a gun 100% while boarded.

And why do they cut holes in the hull and make balconies.
I have never seen that before.
Only holes to fit stuff through but the obvious reason they created this is for a pause/brake of wharf personell.
Are they so lazy that they cant walk a level up and a few meters back to the helopad?
 

Blitzo

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Or the gun has been taken to a maintainer facility to update it to be brand new.
Something that happens at many warships overtime.
You cant maintain a gun 100% while boarded.

And why do they cut holes in the hull and make balconies.
I have never seen that before.

Only holes to fit stuff through but the obvious reason they created this is for a pause/brake of wharf personell.

Are they so lazy that they cant walk a level up and a few meters back to the helopad?

Err... you're kidding right? Those holes are obviously for removal and insertion of equipment that cannot otherwise be accessed....

If you really think they cut two gaping holes in the middle of the ship for shipyard workers to have a break then you must really underestimate how much effort it takes to cut a freaking hole in the middle of a ship.

Not to mention it's pretty easy to simply walk off the ship onto the dock for lunch or whatever.
I really do hope you're kidding because the logic of the statement fails on too many levels.
 
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damitch300

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Making holes is an easy thing actually.
And the fact that there are railings so close to the entry is also another thing that you cant slide something out or in. Aswell as the fact that there is no place to lift things on or off except the crane on the wrong side.

But yeah ok it might be possible that they are old holes or new for later use.
But judging by the picture they are now used for wharf dudes...
 

Blitzo

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Making holes is an easy thing actually.

Easier than walking off the boat for a break???
C'mon.

And the fact that there are railings so close to the entry is also another thing that you cant slide something out or in. Aswell as the fact that there is no place to lift things on or off except the crane on the wrong side.

But yeah ok it might be possible that they are old holes or new for later use.
But judging by the picture they are now used for wharf dudes...

Railings are there so the workers have something to hold onto when they stand their to receive equipment from cranes. The nature of large cranes is that they can rotate... meaning there is no "wrong side" in the way you describe.

Use logic, why would they go to the effort to cut open a hole in a ship and be forced to seal it up again later after refit? It isn't a simple task and is avoided if one has the option to. It's cumbersome, time consuming, and exposes the inside of the ship to the elements.
Otherwise you'd see ships with holes in the side of their hulls all the time whenever they reached dock if it were so easy and convenient.
 
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