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Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
... in my opinion the Type 45 should have been armed with the new AShM since they entered service, instead of that FFBNW ...
Well it is a typical case of "Would'a...should'a...could'a."

The fact is that now they have these missiles and they are MUCH better than nothing. Besides, the Harpoon to this day, particularly with its later updates, is an excellent ASuM.

Also, the Royal Navy has pretty much admitted that it is really just a stop-gap measure.

Ultimately they will have newer missiles.

My guess is that either the LRASM from the US Navy, or one of the other newer missiles will be used when the Harpoons are retired (Like the Kongsberg Naval Strike Missile...or the Italian missiles).
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Well it is a typical case of "Would'a...should'a...could'a."

The fact is that now they have these missiles and they are MUCH better than nothing. Besides, the Harpoon to this day, particularly with its later updates, is an excellent ASuM.

Also, the Royal Navy has pretty much admitted that it is really just a stop-gap measure.

Ultimately they will have newer missiles.

My guess is that either the LRASM from the US Navy, or one of the other newer missiles will be used when the Harpoons are retired (Like the Kongsberg Naval Strike Missile...or the Italian missiles).

Dark horse being the type 10 VLS variant that is currently being developed at TRDI. Japan and Britain already had signed a technology transfer agreement so the British can acquire the license if she so please.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
UK strengthens its military position in Falklands

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(Defensa.com) London announced it will increase its security measures in the Falkland Islands in the South Atlantic, believing that there is a lively part of Argentina, you could try re-invade threat. Secretary of State for Defence, Michael Fallon said in Parliament that the islands will see increased security, among others by sending two Chinook transport helicopters and improved system air missiles. In addition, the government will spend about 180 million pounds ($ 270 million) to improve the main port of the island until 2017, as well as other defenses in the next decade, said Fallon. London spends every year millions of pounds in the security and maintenance of the islands, so the British presence there is disputed between racks even in the European country.

Before Fallon's speech in Parliament, the tabloid The Sun had claimed that the minister would announce sending additional troops to the islands, called Falklands by the British. Argentina's President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, London rejected the decision to strengthen the defense system of the Falkland Islands to the lively from Argentina to re-invade threat. The Argentine Government reiterates that dialogue and negotiation, not weapons, are the only way to resolve the issue, said the president. It is a sad and unfortunate paradox a March 24, 39 years after the coup of 1976 that will feature the silence of many powers, is used to the Falkland Islands as a matter of election campaign in the UK and repeatedly invokes a war started 32 years ago by the genocidal dictatorship, which meant greater political, social, economic and cultural tragedy for the people of Argentina stressed.

Argentina's Foreign Ministry issued a statement claiming that the British Government uses, once again, the Falklands to justify increases in military spending. The paper argues that besides unlikely, it is absolutely unjustifiable that the ghost of a shake Argentina alleged threat to raise the British military budget and consolidate the growing militarization of the islands. The Argentine government again urged the United Kingdom to sit at the negotiating table. Argentina and Britain fought a war over the islands in 1982 after an invasion ordered by the military dictatorship that ruled the South American country.

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Fallon, explained to the British parliament reviewing the military aspects affecting the Malvinas (Falkland Islands Defence Review). The British government spent on modernizing the military resources available to the islands 180 million pounds over the next ten years. Among the planned measures to modernize the system of communications headquarters in Mount Pleasant are included, allowing real-time transmission of information. Removal systems Rapier air defense missiles, replaced by new ones will also occur, and the presence of a patrol vessel will be maintained. Further reforms will place in the port Mare and replacement of electricity generation facilities in Mount Pleasant airfield. The living conditions of the troops were also improve performances as improved accommodation. In the Falklands UK maintains four Eurofighter Typhoon combat aircraft, said Rapier air defense missiles and about 1,200 troops.

The islands count again with helicopters, since the middle of this year will reach two Chinook that had been deployed in Afghanistan. This way you will have permanent air transport and responsiveness to any emergency after the helicopters were removed in 2006. In January defensa.com analyze in detail the military plans for the Malvinas / Falklands, confirming that the Rapier systems will be replaced with the terrestrial version of FLAADS called FLAADS (L) which in turn is derived from the Naval Sea Ceptor of MBDA, elected to the British frigates and also recently chosen by Brazil for future corvettes.

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
UK air assets are "modest" at best in the islands

4 x Typhoons
1 x refuelling tanker
1 x cargo transport
With two helos

But the question is not how many air assets they have the question is how many SSN are in the area?

RN SSN is the ace up the sleeve
 

Bernard

Junior Member
UK strengthens its military position in Falklands

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(Defensa.com) London announced it will increase its security measures in the Falkland Islands in the South Atlantic, believing that there is a lively part of Argentina, you could try re-invade threat. Secretary of State for Defence, Michael Fallon said in Parliament that the islands will see increased security, among others by sending two Chinook transport helicopters and improved system air missiles. In addition, the government will spend about 180 million pounds ($ 270 million) to improve the main port of the island until 2017, as well as other defenses in the next decade, said Fallon. London spends every year millions of pounds in the security and maintenance of the islands, so the British presence there is disputed between racks even in the European country........
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Argentina branded Britain’s plans to beef up its defenses in the Falkland Islands a “provocation” and a pre-election stunt Wednesday.

On Tuesday, British Defense Secretary Michael Fallon said London would spend £180 million ($268 million) over 10 years to counter “continuous intimidation” from Argentina in the disputed South Atlantic islands, which the two countries went to war over in 1982.

“This business from Great Britain is a provocation, not just to Argentina but also to the United Nations,” said Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman.

The UN’s Decolonization Committee adopted a resolution last year calling on Britain to negotiate with Argentina on the islands’ status, as Buenos Aires has long demanded.

Britain argues the islanders should decide themselves which country they want to belong to. In a 2013 referendum, 99.8 percent voted to remain a British overseas territory.

Timerman said the British defense initiative “makes no sense.”

“We are committed to dialogue and international law,” he told local broadcaster Radio del Plata, saying Argentina would file a formal complaint with the UN and the Decolonization Committee.

President Cristina Kirchner’s cabinet chief, Anibal Fernandez, said the defense plan was less about Argentine threats than the campaign for Britain’s general elections on May 7.

“They’re facing elections so they resort to cheap nationalism to put all of British society on tenterhooks over a military matter,” he told a press conference.

Argentina invaded the Falklands, which it calls the Malvinas, in April 1982, sparking a bloody war that it lost in just over two months.

The conflict claimed the lives of 649 Argentine soldiers, 255 British soldiers and three islanders.

Argentina’s secretary for the Malvinas, Daniel Filmus, said it is “absolutely not the case” that Buenos Aires plans to repeat the invasion, launched under its military dictatorship.

“Since 1983, Argentina has again lived under a democracy and forcefully insists that there is only one path to regain sovereignty, the path of peace, diplomacy and negotiation,” he said.

Filmus said Britain’s real aim appeared to be “supporting the offshore oil rigs that are illegally pumping Argentine hydrocarbons” in the South Atlantic.

Argentina does not recognize Britain’s right to drill for oil in the region, where significant offshore deposits have been discovered in recent years.

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Jeff Head

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UK air assets are "modest" at best in the islands

But the question is not how many air assets they have the question is how many SSN are in the area?

RN SSN is the ace up the sleeve
The Typhoons and these additional air defenses should handle about anything the Argentines could currently send against the Falklands by air...at least until more help arrived.

As you say, if an SSN is nearby...nothing from the sea will land on that island from the mainland either.

I think the UK is doing just enough to defend the island without over doing it.

Of course...if they fell asleep and were surprised somehow, then people would say they should have done more..
 
Well it is a typical case of "Would'a...should'a...could'a."

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Jeff, my statement
in my opinion the Type 45 should have been armed with the new AShM since they entered service, instead of that FFBNW ...
sure can be considered a pub talk (I think I indeed posted while in the pub :) ... but still I thought I should get back to this, and after I found time for "some additional research", I'd like to say this:
  • there's a very interesting discussion about Naval Strategy, Armament etc. -- latest posts in the thread PLAN Type 052C/052D Class Destroyers
  • the cost of the Daring-class project was £6.5b, so for additional one (maximum two) percent (based on price estimates I found in the Internet, and assuming "economy of scale" -- the Italians were arming the Orizzonte-class at about the same time), this:
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was available for each of the six Type 45 Destroyers (Milas anti-submarine system, "Italian ASROC", to the right; Otomat AShM to the left -- now it has land-attack capability as well), twice (I mean two Milas launchers and two twin Otomat canisters) ... of course, the RN might have decided this limited capabilities were not needed ... but every time I look at a Type 45, I feel unsure (no torpedo tubes; Harpoons coming only now), anyway, next point:
  • I know about the space for the Mk 41 VLS (I even looked into Jackson's Warships Inside Out where exactly it is :) but are you sure the RN has sufficient funds to install it (them)?
 
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