F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Silvestre

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37 For replace 61 F-16 again a nice decline and possible Belgium in 2020's will not have combat aircrafts... !!!
F-35 better Ok but 40 % in less really so so big !
Only Norvegian AF don' t decline in Europe since 2000's...have oil also...
And seems Italy maintains her order for 90 good but planned initialy 131...

Thinking 15 F-35s or 22 Eurofighters to Swedish Defence and have 5500 in Home Guards, 4000 in Army and 3500 in Air Force and 3000 in Naval to have 16000 size. Like in Slovakia for over two year back then they changes to 13500 soldiers by this central European country how haven't Fleet in defence by Slovakia, Czech, Austria, Switzerland, Serbia, Slovenia and Bosnia and Georgia.
 
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Jeff Head

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Jeff is a professional engineer, and his Dad Lee Head was in on the design of several Chance Vought fighters, and lead engineer on the F-8 and the A-7! he's not the only engineer.

We have several gents who are research scientist, computer experts, accountants, and we are free to play...its like university only no tuition?
Brat, thanks for those kind words, particularly about my Dad, God Rest His Soul.

But for the record, though I have worked for decades in engineering and design, and even taught a graduate class in Computer Aided Engineering and Design in the 1980s, I never got my PE certificate so cannot be called a Professional Engineer. That particular terminology has very specific meaning and I do not want anyone to get the wrong impression or info.

My Dad was a PE, and my brother who passed in 2012, was a PE and, like my Dad being known in dynamics for aircraft and missile design, my brother Lee was very well known for his work in Water Treatment all over Texas.
 
hope you know I'm not an F-35 basher ...
General: F-35 Will Initially Lag Older Aircraft in Close Air Support
The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the Pentagon’s newest and most expensive weapons program, will only offer limited close air support when it begins operational flights in the Air Force next year, a top general said.

“In many ways, it won’t have the some of the capabilities of our current platforms,” Gen. Herbert “Hawk” Carlisle, head of the service’s Air Combat Command, acknowledged during a briefing with reporters on Friday at the Pentagon.

His comments came as lawmakers have begun debating the Defense Department’s fiscal 2016 budget request, which resurrects a controversial proposal to retire the A-10 attack aircraft. The Cold War-era plane, known as the Warthog, is designed to support ground troops with a 30mm, seven-barrel Gatling gun, called the GAU-8/A Avenger.

Air Force officials are pushing to divest the A-10, largely due to automatic budget cuts, despite recently deploying the aircraft to the Middle East to fight militants affiliated with the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. The low, slow-flying gunship was also recently
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to Europe in a show of support to the Ukraine, which is battling pro-Russian separatists.

Lawmakers have previously rejected the service’s proposal to
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, in part because the F-35, which is designed to replace the A-10 and other aircraft, can’t yet perform the close air support mission.

Lockheed Martin Corp., the Pentagon’s biggest contractor, is developing three versions of the stealthy, fifth-generation fighter under a $400 billion acquisition program to build a total of 2,443 aircraft.

The F-35B, the Marine Corps’ jump-set variant,
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so-called initial operational capability, or IOC, later this year, followed by the F-35A, the Air Force’s conventional version, in the latter half of 2016, followed by the F-35C, the Navy’s aircraft carrier variant, in 2019.

Carlisle said the F-35A won’t initially be able to perform “advanced” close air support “because those are systems that are going to be coming onto the airplane in later blocks.”

The technologies the aircraft will initially lack include the large area, high-definition synthetic aperture radar known as “BIG SAR,” which is needed to get the best functionality out of the electro-optical targeting system, as well as
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known as the Small Diameter Bomb II, or SDB-II, the general said.

Carlisle said the systems are slated to be integrated into the aircraft as part of a Block 4 software upgrade,
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. “All of those are things that are going to be coming on in Block 4,” he said.

Even the F-35’s 25mm, four-barrel GAU-22 gun
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for at least a couple of more years.

So which weapons will the airplane initially carry? The Marine Corps’ F-35B will enter service with Block 2B software, which lets pilots fire a pair of AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air to Air Missiles, AMRAAMs, or drop a pair of satellite-guided bombs or laser-guided weapons — not exactly the armament of choice for close-in missions.
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Have you heard about
The technologies the aircraft will initially lack include the large area, high-definition synthetic aperture radar known as “BIG SAR,” which is needed to get the best functionality out of the electro-optical targeting system
part before? I sure haven't :)
 

Air Force Brat

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hope you know I'm not an F-35 basher ...
General: F-35 Will Initially Lag Older Aircraft in Close Air Support

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Have you heard about
part before? I sure haven't :)

Maybe you are a basher??? LOL "search your feelings Luke"???? look deep into the mirror of your soul, and ask yourself--do I love the F-35??
I was a critic, I am still critical of certain design elements of this aircraft but???

this airplane is really one of most sophisticated "computer systems" ever envisioned, the computer is the weapon, the aircraft just employs that weapon, this aircraft is built around that weapon system. This system is "bleeding edge" on many levels, in spite of people who proclaim it to be "so yesterday?" So as this system is being built, it has been designed to reach maturity in 5 to 10 years, it is also designed to add capabilities as they become available??

you are a bright lad, this should NOT surprise YOU, of all people
NOW, one of my criticisms is this hyper-complexity and the computer being wrapped around and through the whole system, but I do understand that those sensors, are going to be like the human body--- completely and totally intertwined in order to bring a system that functions like the human body on a small scale?

This airplane "knows" how to fly, navigate, etc---- it is going to have to learn how to "fight"??
 

strehl

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"So which weapons will the airplane initially carry? The Marine Corps’ F-35B will enter service with Block 2B software, which lets pilots fire a pair of AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air to Air Missiles, AMRAAMs, or drop a pair of satellite-guided bombs or laser-guided weapons — not exactly the armament of choice for close-in missions."

Eliminate GPS and laser guided bombs and all you have left is a manually pointed Gatling gun. I remember the early reports of US SOF personnel operating in Afghanistan riding on mules and holding laptops to call in..........GPS and laser guided bombs.

Another shining example of professional reporting backed by layers of editorial bias. Strafing is probably highly satisfying to watch for the grunts on the ground and probably the pilot too. I wonder what the real statistics show for mission effectiveness (fixed wing only). What percentage of enemy killed were due to strafing vs bombs.

If I wanted to go after dispersed enemy who are "danger close" I would like a guided cluster munition which could be sensor programmed to match a prescribed dispersal pattern. Nothing like that now (WCMD doesn't due programmed dispersal) but who knows.
 

Brumby

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Eliminate GPS and laser guided bombs and all you have left is a manually pointed Gatling gun. I remember the early reports of US SOF personnel operating in Afghanistan riding on mules and holding laptops to call in..........GPS and laser guided bombs.

If I remember correctly, the gun would not be ready until 2018 and even that all you get is 4 sec. burst. I think a distinction needs to be made between conventional and non conventional CAS. Cost per hour for a F-35 will be high for non conventional support which in my view could be performed by less expensive platform.
 

FORBIN

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"So which weapons will the airplane initially carry? The Marine Corps’ F-35B will enter service with Block 2B software, which lets pilots fire a pair of AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air to Air Missiles, AMRAAMs, or drop a pair of satellite-guided bombs or laser-guided weapons — not exactly the armament of choice for close-in missions.".
Normaly IOC in july with Block 2B software limited, weapons AIM-120, JDAM, GBU-12.
 

Silvestre

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So they give a signal to have F-35 in US Military in future. Is bad for me. I will no F-35B in Marin Corps and F-35C in Navy and which variant in Air Force.

Is it F-35A nobody known?

Total around 3500 air crafts jets in future is biggest in world but I will only maximum 1000 air crafts jets.

I like both USA and Sweden in military.

Thinking USA gonna bring up in US Military to old size of 1,458,500 soldiers and seeman. Today it is nearly under 1,350,000 man in next biggest military in world.
 

thunderchief

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Eliminate GPS and laser guided bombs and all you have left is a manually pointed Gatling gun. I remember the early reports of US SOF personnel operating in Afghanistan riding on mules and holding laptops to call in..........GPS and laser guided bombs.

Another shining example of professional reporting backed by layers of editorial bias. Strafing is probably highly satisfying to watch for the grunts on the ground and probably the pilot too. I wonder what the real statistics show for mission effectiveness (fixed wing only). What percentage of enemy killed were due to strafing vs bombs.

Grunts on the ground prefer A-10 to F-16 armed with LGB or JDAM in situations when you get close and personal with enemy . Bombs have certain "kill zone" and you don't want to be within 200-500 meters (depends on the bomb type) from designated impact point . There is CEP and there are human errors too. Also, F-16 could not loiter so long over target as A-10 , and it could not reengage so often .

F-35 is designed to replace F-16 , but it could not replace A-10 . Some UAV in the future could perhaps do that , but so far there is simply no suitable replacement .
 

Scratch

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A few things to note.

The GBU-12 (500lbs LGB) and the GBU-38 (500lbs JDAM) in different configurations have been widely used for CAS in the past and are in many instances the weapons of choice.
The GBU-12 is simple, cheap but really functional. It is precise and has a moving target capability. It can be guided from almost all the assets in the air, as well as from so equiped ground troops.

I get the impression that initially, the F-35 will only carry GBU-31/-32 JDAMS (the 2000 / 1000lbs versions), even those can be usefull in close air support. Since they carry a cockpit-selectable fuze AFAIK, delayed (sub-surface / inside a structure) detonation can be used to shrink the hazard area.

The 500lbs GBU-38, and its reduced effects variations, should be rather easy to implement and will provide a great weapon for "close-in" situations. As they have for many years now.
In case the aircraft has ground visibility, the targeting systems (Litening III, AT Sniper, EOTS) will be able to provide targeting data accurate enough to properly employ those bombs. By now there's also systems available to the idividual soldier that will allow pulling precission grids for aircraft working above the weather.

I don't, however, see the cluster idea going anywhere. For almost all conflicts, cluster weapons use is, and will be, prohibited by theater rules. Additionally each individual munition would need a seeker capable of reliably detecting and engaging a man sized target.

For dispersed, close in targets, you're a little screwed anyway. But if you've got a smart JTAC / aircrew with you, there will be ways to do the job. Playing around with fuze settings and aimpoints. As well as using the effects for your own fire and maneuver plan.

Strafing can be really accurate and usefull, if you have pinpoint targets next to something you do not want to hit. By moving the nose around a little, it can also have some area effects.
20mm is on the low end of what is just usefull. 25mm HEDP will be quiet usefull.

By the way what is "conventional" vs "non-conventional" CAS ??
 
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