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aksha

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Indian Defence Secretary in France this week to expedite negotiations. The article quote one of the gridlock item as "HAL is insisting that Dassault guarantee the delivery schedule because hundreds of spares and subsystems will be supplied by the French."

We keep on seeing the same issue (for optics) but not the unreasonable underlying commercial risk that HAL expects Dassault to take on. A finalised product on time and on specs is not just dependent on supply chain but manufacturing assembly. This is subject to HAL's workplace practice, labour issues; employee performance and management competence in which Dassault has no responsibility and control over but yet is expected to take on board the full risk if HAL fails to deliver. Am I missing something or is HAL operating from an alternate universe?

No, I would say you have a handle on it, and nobody is going for a deal like that, maybe thats why they are uping the price tag, a kind of quid pro quo?


well, Dassault shouldn't have agreed to the RFP then ,and neither should they have entered the competition.
 

paintgun

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aksha, its pretty common for companies to win competitions that way.

Dassault simply offered a deal they can not fulfil on the other end of the bargain.
 

aksha

Captain
Aesa Radar ” Uttam ” for Tejas MK-II been tested Air-to-Air mode

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The state-run Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) which has taken up the development of flight control radar for fighter aircraft with 100 km range and multi-mode operation. AESA radar development which has been started under Project ” Uttam ” which is a Sanskrit word for ” Best ” .

Realisation and calibration of prototype Active Aperture Array Antenna Unit (AAAU) has been completed with indigenous TR modules . DRDO currently has placed Airworthy radar processor and exciter receiver on a high rise platform in Mechanical Scanned Array (MSA) configuration for validation of various algorithms and wave-forms of the fie control radar .

Software development for air-air sub-modes have been completed and DRDO is testing Radar in Air-to-Air mode but crucial software block testing will be development of software which will allow air-to-ground modes which is crucial for aircraft to carryout high resolution mapping, multiple ground moving target detection and track, combat identification, electronic warfare, and ultra high bandwidth communications.

Project is still a long way from completion andDRDOstill has not clarified if Israeli help has been sought in its development nor what level of indigenous content will be used in the radar . work on indigenous TR modules started in 1998 after successful development , Radar development was cleared in 2011-12 period . First Tejas MK-2 Prototype will take to sky by 2018-19 and will enter Production by 2022 and it is expected that AESA Uttam will be ready and enter Production.
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aksha

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aksha, its pretty common for companies to win competitions that way.

Dassault simply offered a deal they can not fulfil on the other end of the bargain.

The best way to move forward now, in my opinion is to buy a 3-4 squardons directly from Dassault without ToT.(which i beleive will be cheaper)
and focus on Tejas MkII instead of trying to build rafales at home.
 

Brumby

Major
well, Dassault shouldn't have agreed to the RFP then ,and neither should they have entered the competition.

Do you have a link to the contents of the RFP as I see this point being brought up quite often? I would like to look into the terms that India laid out and the proposal in which Dassault's bid was accepted. Given that they are currently negotiating the terms to a final contract, presumably the RFP process was merely to select a party to enter into negotiation rather than an agreement. This would suggest either party is at liberty to walk away without penalty other then wasted effort and time.
 

Brumby

Major
The best way to move forward now, in my opinion is to buy a 3-4 squardons directly from Dassault without ToT.(which i beleive will be cheaper)
and focus on Tejas MkII instead of trying to build rafales at home.

I think their end game was to acquire the technology besides the plane. I am still at a loss concerning HAL and Indian politics. I think Dassault was happy to go with another local partner. Given HAL's less than stellar track record with the Tejas, it would be financially suicidal to assume delivery risk without some clear cut escape clauses.
 

paintgun

Senior Member
Basically Dassault promised everything and the moon to India, at the cost of $65mil per plane.

They now negotiated for $120 per plane, India asked for warranty of every planed manufactured at HAL as a bargaining counter and Dassault would not agree.
 
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