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Zool

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I wonder if they seriously don't understand the game they're playing now or if they're just giving lip service to the media.
Because if they were realistic, their response should more have been like

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I'm sure they expected this as a possible outcome and were ready to contact the media as soon as it happened. It's all about messaging and trying to keep some sort of momentum.
 

antiterror13

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"If we cannot step foot onto our country, how can they expect us to love the country?" said Joshua Wong, another student leader, afterwards. "How can they win our confidence if we cannot even step onto the mainland?"

I don't think Chinese Govt would need these "a few kids" confidence, they are considered a troublemaker even by most HKers ... some even consider these kids are terrorist in a way .......
 

Piotr

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Obama: For example, the issue of Hong Kong came up in our conversations, I was unequivocal in saying to President Xi that the US had no involvement in fostering the protests that took place in Hong Kong.
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According to the facts The United States is involved in organizing illegal protests in Hong Kong, China:
Trojan Horse in Hong Kong
Updated: 2014-11-13 08:48
By Timothy Chui(HK Edition)
If 'Occupy Central' is indeed funded by a US agency, as an anonymously published report suggests, what are they expecting to gain? A couple of political experts share their views with Timothy Chui.

Local anger is stirring following an anonymous report claiming "Occupy Central" is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), a private foundation described in a 1999 United States Consulate report as an "official delegation" of the US government.

The report, from an anonymous source, written in English, claims that NED paid out a total of HK$34,514,352 in cash funds directly and through subsidiaries since 2000 to 10 groups in Hong Kong.

China Daily was able to verify the majority of the report's figures through annual reports still available at the NED's website.


The informant declares that several of the groups receiving the NED funding prepared the groundwork for the political agitation that has, for more than a month, disrupted the governance, commerce, the rule of law and the lives of ordinary citizens of Hong Kong. The statement continues that other groups, though not directly involved in planning the disruptions, are avid supporters of the ongoing illegal blockades.

"The report provides unequivocal evidence that US government funds are being used to support the 'Occupy Central' protests," the source, identified as "A Hong Kong Citizen", wrote, accusing the US government of "hijacking the entire democratic discussion in Hong Kong" through the work of NED and its subsidiaries.

The report, "showing how US government funds have been used to provide support to the 'Occupy Central' protests", alleges planning for the illegal occupations began in 2012, when NED doled out nearly HK$3.58 million to create the mechanics for members of the opposition, university students in particular, to "more effectively participate in the public debate on political reform".

Designs on the future

NED subsidiary National Democratic Institute for International Affairs (NDI) financed reports titled "Accountability without Democracy?" and "Birdcage or Framework?" which were used to frame how opposition groups would approach the dialogue over political reform.

Funding was handed out for the Design Democracy website, mounted by the University of Hong Kong's (HKU) Centre for Comparative and Public Law, where law professor and "Occupy Central" mastermind Benny Tai Yiu-ting served as a board member.

By 2013 the website, described by local press as a rival to the government's portal for public consultation on electoral reform, was up and running. Later the platform and its social media companion pages served as a clearing house for coordinating protest efforts, with posts assuaging fears over criminal liabilities or about the illegal occupation.

Articles posted during the early days of the protests suggested the appointment of protest marshals and site plans including the construction of long-term facilities, warehousing of provisions and other logistics needed for a long-term occupation.

As "Occupy Central" took hold of the city, the platform became a vehicle to take the pulse of the protest movement. One survey asked respondents if they would be prepared to re-occupy streets cleared previously by authorities.

The report also highlighted the role of public opinion polls by HKU, as well as Hong Kong Baptist University's Transition Project. Both, according to the report, received NED funding that ultimately was "used to influence public opinion". The informant alleged that the polls were framed so as to make them heavily biased in favor of the opposition cause.

"Releasing survey results at a critical time in a debate can influence the outcome of the debate, a tactic which has been used to good effect in Hong Kong," the report's author stated.

Among other NED funding recipients, the Hong Kong Human Rights Monitor (HKHRM) received the most enduring and generous support, the report alleged. Monitor Director Law Yuk-kai told China Daily that his non-government organization was entitled to accept donations.

He refused to respond to repeated enquiries about whether the NGO accepted more than HK$13 million from NED or its subsidiaries, as detailed in the report. Law also said he was unable to answer whether NED funds comprised the bulk of the HKHRM's funding.

NED vice-president of programs (Asia, Middle East, North Africa and Global) Louise Greve has stated that they handed out more than 1,000 grants annually to partner groups around the world at an average of HK$390,000 per annum. The monitor received an average of just under a million dollars a year from NED, according to the informant's report.

Greve says while NED is funded by appropriations from the US Congress, its distribution of funds is not an extension of American foreign policy.

A front for US ambitions?

Officially the US nonprofit soft power organization declares its mission is toward the growth and strengthening of democratic institutions around the world. City University of Hong Kong political scientist James Sung Lap-kung said despite its lofty and benevolent rhetoric NED was the solution to post-1980s US ambitions to exert greater influence, particularly in Asia. Its development goal was the perfect guise for it to organize conferences and serve as a conduit to fund various academics and activities.

Sung argued NED's grants never come without "conditions". "There is a consensus among the academic community that taking NED money is the same as taking money from the US government, and there is reciprocity required. Grantees are essentially indebted to NED and its policy masters. If someone's been taking the money for years, as in the case of Lee Cheuk-yan, it implies a very close working relationship," he said.

The modus operandi for identifying and funding cooperative assets to influence and exert pressure on local affairs is not unlike the way the CIA operated prior to NED, Sung added.

NED first made its presence known here, in 1985, two years after the organization was founded. It began doling out funds to the HKHRM. It started reaching out to opposition figures sympathetic to its mission, like Martin Lee Chu-ming - who became the recipient of NED's Democracy Award in 1997.

By 2002, the NDI, a NED subsidiary institution, had set up its first field office in Hong Kong.

Over the next five years NDI reached out to and made contacts with several political parties and think tanks. By 2007 it had consolidated its activities, focusing on creating reports through local partners which allowed them to frame debates and public opinion polls on political reform. The debates over the years consistently focused on issues contrary to the city's mandated political reform framework, suggesting unconstitutional reforms such as public nomination.

Noted US government critic and former State Department employee William Blum described NED as a Trojan Horse, set up in the 1980s to "do somewhat overtly, what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades," meddling in the "internal affairs of numerous foreign countries by supplying funds, technical know-how and training".

Chinese University of Hong Kong Emeritus Professor of Sociology Lau Siu-kai characterized NED's activities as foreign interference, despite the foundation's claim to an arm's length relationship with the US State Department.

Lau said American foreign policy increasingly relied on NGOs like NED, opposition political parties, trade unions and religious bodies to aid agencies sympathetic to the US in foreign countries while standing under the banner of "democracy".

A similar US NGO, USAID, was involved in a Cuban spy program, which paid young Cubans to stir dissent under the guise of an HIV prevention workshop, since 2009, and uncovered in early August this year, less than two months before the late September outbreak of "Occupy Central".

"Funded by public money, NED and similar organizations such as USAID function to liaise and assist, to help, educate, train and organize people in other places for the sake of democratic promotion, election monitoring, and sometimes launching protests to promote regime change when governments, even of democratically elected ones, are antagonistic of US strategic interests," Lau said.

"In the Hong Kong context, the aim was not regime change, because the US government could not afford to alienate the central government with so many difficult issues requiring cooperation," Lau said.

The relationship is one of "coopetition". There are always those in the US who will try to restrain or slow down China's inexorable growth. Hong Kong is nationally important despite a gradual decline of its stature, and remains an international finance and communication center. The city's international connections remain key to the Chinese mainland's evolution to super power status, particularly with regard to economic policy.

NED's mandate, aside from evangelizing so-called "democracy", was to make life more difficult for the leadership in Beijing, Lau contended.

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Leaders of illegal Occupy Central protests know very well what they expect. They expect more money from US goverment to themselves. And Joshua Wong in particular expects scholarship to US university.
 

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Leaders of illegal Occupy Central protests know very well what they expect. They expect more money from US goverment to themselves. And Joshua Wong in particular expects scholarship to US university.


No surprise here.
 

antiterror13

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I think Xi and Chinese Govt handled this "kids" perfectly .... no violent or whatsoever ... some westerners may have hoped like Tiananmen ... these spoiled kids would have a black mark on their record ... they may have difficulty to get a job ... I wouldn't hire them.

They can move to England ... if England would accept it and HK govt would be more than happy to allow them ...

They have lost very very badly ... accept the reality .. nobody supporting them ... even (now) the US and the UK (as they know it can not be won)
 

siegecrossbow

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Well, usually "other" protesters in high profile protracted actions like this one are not High School age students :)
They must have some knowledge from the School Board that they will be getting a pass, no? I mean wouldn't their parents be all over them otherwise? And in-class Labs, Presentations, Tests & Exams usually make up the bulk of a term grade. Hard to see them getting that banged out while napping on the pavement. And come to think of it, are the teachers getting paid to sit in empty classrooms?

Seriously, if anyone local comes across some information on this I would love to know more.

Some one please start an Occupy movement in Austin so I will get more time to finish my final project!
 
The attempted trip to Beijing by these student protesters is beside the point. It is a by-the-book publicity stunt to preach to the choir in their fantasy of China still being a pre-1911 imperial system. Today's China is a republic with both oligarchic and democratic elements like every successful republic on the planet.

This attempted trip is also a continuation of some protest factions' efforts to pretend that the political process is the problem for Hong Kong's average person when the real problems are the standard of living, wealth, and opportunity gaps stemming from global trade, finance, and economics, and the inability of Hong Kong as a whole to re-invent itself.
 

no_name

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Bet if Beijing today suddenly offers them free tickets to come see big the big poppas they will need to change their pants.
 

Mr T

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I think Xi and Chinese Govt handled this "kids" perfectly

Doesn't it tend to undermine Beijing's argument that Hong Kong is part of China - i.e. it's "one country" but only when it suits Beijing?

They can move to England

Why would they move to England? What about Scotland or Wales? Besides, Hong Kong is their home. If people were expected to leave every time they disagreed with the government, quite quickly you'd have no one living there. No one, except the most slavishly loyal, never disagrees with a government.

...pretend that the political process is the problem for Hong Kong's average person when the real problems are the standard of living, wealth, and opportunity gaps stemming from global trade, finance, and economics, and the inability of Hong Kong as a whole to re-invent itself.

Arguably all of those problems are significantly linked to the political system where currently Beijing decides who gets to be HK leader and pro-Beijing businesses/interest groups get to decide on a large number of the legislators. The argument put forward by Occupy is that the only way Hong Kongese can get leaders that put the city's interests first is if they can elect them freely and directly. Having them pre-approved by Beijing isn't likely to see any change.
 
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