Possible Chinese involvement in fighting ISIS

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usaf0314

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from what i've been seeing, i agree to a lot of the points that have been brought up. If China is to take action, it will most likely cooperate with regional security organization such as the SCO. Gaining attention of ISIS might not be wise for Beijing, it is vulnerable to retaliation due to the geological location and the size of its land border to the middle east.

The use of Special Forces such that of the ones being deployed on Anti-Piracy missions could be a possibility with NATO cooperation. But as for deploying heavy military hardware, it would be a long shot. Although ISIS has been stirring things up in the Xinjiang region. It could be a powder keg for full scale armed intervention. I'm actually surprised India hasn't been doing much about this.
 

solarz

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I don't think it's so much a matter of fearing retaliation from ISIS, instead it's a question of "what's in it for me?".

The US is under both domestic and international pressure to take on ISIS because, frankly, they created this mess. The others are only joining in because the US is asking them to.

I don't see any reason why China would want to spend resources on fighting ISIS when the US is going to do it anyway.
 

Maggern

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I don't think it's so much a matter of fearing retaliation from ISIS, instead it's a question of "what's in it for me?".

The US is under both domestic and international pressure to take on ISIS because, frankly, they created this mess. The others are only joining in because the US is asking them to.

I don't see any reason why China would want to spend resources on fighting ISIS when the US is going to do it anyway.

Frankly you could say the same about the Gulf of Aden missions. If China wasn't there, it would still be pulled off quite nicely by other nations.

But just like in the Gulf of Aden, you would rather consider the military experience gains in light of no political backlash (in the event of full support through UN resolutions and international consensus). Carrying out precision strikes far from your own borders is an invaluable experience for the PLA and PLAAF.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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The only reason China might get into it is because of there fuel. the PRC's fifth largest fuel supplier is Iraq. with Putin happily willing to reroute more oil to the PRC, at the moment it seems that there would be little actual need or want but if the supply chain took another major hit that might change.
 

solarz

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Frankly you could say the same about the Gulf of Aden missions. If China wasn't there, it would still be pulled off quite nicely by other nations.

But just like in the Gulf of Aden, you would rather consider the military experience gains in light of no political backlash (in the event of full support through UN resolutions and international consensus). Carrying out precision strikes far from your own borders is an invaluable experience for the PLA and PLAAF.

The anti-piracy missions are valuable because the PLAN needs to protect China's shipping lanes. Bombing ISIS is not so valuable because the PLAAF doesn't really need to bomb other countries.

The only reason China might get into it is because of there fuel. the PRC's fifth largest fuel supplier is Iraq. with Putin happily willing to reroute more oil to the PRC, at the moment it seems that there would be little actual need or want but if the supply chain took another major hit that might change.

There are a few points to that:

1- the US is already going to fight the ISIS, sooner or later
2- Chinese businesses going into Iraq knew the risk, so I'm sure they have contingency plans
3- Can you really protect assets with bombing campaigns? In the end, unless the Iraqi Army steps up to the plate, no amount of airstrikes or missiles will help.
 
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Scyth

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China also has the non-inteference policy which would inhibit any military support unless their is an acute danger presented.
 

plawolf

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China also has the non-inteference policy which would inhibit any military support unless their is an acute danger presented.

China's non-interference policy is moot if the government of Iraq or Syria openly requests direct military assistance.

All of these western pieces about the PLA joining the fight against IS is pure fantasy because there is nothing approaching a realistic attempt to present a convincing case for why China would want to spent all that money and risk the lives of its servicemen to fight an organisation, while vile, isn't really a threat to China.

Chinese nationals training and fighting with IS is a grave national security risk for China, just as western nationals fighting for IS are a major threat to their home countries.

However, the minimalistic military strategy America is perusing does not really present a convincing case to suggest such military action will lead to the swift, decisive and total defeat of IS. As such, Chinese security analysists should be asking the blindingly obvious question of what will China's involvement in such a conceptually flawed battle plan do other than make China a bigger target for IS retaliation?

In addition, even if China were to participate, there is simply no way in hell China will be treated anything like a real, equal partner. Chinese military officers will not be allowed into operational command centers never mind be able to influence military decisions. So in effect, what America wants is to for China to give it operational command of PLA forces and assets for them to direct as they wish. I'm sure American generals love that idea, but what's the upside for China?

Lastly, even if military success was possible, and even if US and Chinese military forces somehow manage to co-ordinate their efforts, how will the spoils of war be shared?

Again, China would demand a reasonable share of the spoils, with concrete and tangible benefits for China at the end of it, be it diplomatic, economic or military or a combination of those three. But once again, America would be absolutely loathed to give China any of that (just take your pick of all the bile filled rants about China being a winner of the Iraq war), and even if Obama agrees, China will have to be stupid to think Congress will honour any deals or agreements, especially a after Obama's term ends.

While it is entertaining to think of PLA jets, ships and special forces engaged in real live combat, that alone is nowhere near a good enough justification for war.

If Obama is serious about trying to get China to participate, his team needs to not only consider the points I raised above and many related and similar ones, but also come up with convincing and compelling answers to assuage China's concerns.

Trying to browbeat China with media sound bites is the exact opposite of what Obama should be doing.

At the end of the day, IS simply isn't remotely grave enough of a threat for America to be willing to pack away all its prejudice and amenity towards China, just as IS isn't enough of a threat to make China willing to swallow its pride and get bossed around by America for no benefit to itself.

America and Great Britian in 1939 were far closer than China and America are today, yet it took the threat from Nazi Germany, a surprise attack from Japan and the British giving their mostly closely guarded technological and military secrets to the Americans to forge the US-UK military alliance and get America into the war.

IS is a fart in the wind in comparison.
 

AssassinsMace

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Beware of so-called experts speaking for China. When it comes to governments and NGOs critical of China, they have a hypocritical position when it comes to terrorism committed against the West to those committed against China by the same terrorist movement. Look at it this way... they say unruly kids are a result of parents' contradictory messages, from a parent to their kids or when both parents are inconsistent with one another, to their children. Now there's evidence Chinese Uighurs are fighting with ISIS. Are they going to be terrorists when they fight the West but freedom fighters when up against the Chinese? The critics of China want to avoid that discussion because it exposes them as a hypocrite. So all they report is Obama's talking points that China is a free rider.

What would happen if China sent troops to fight ISIS on the ground in the Middle East? All you have to do is look at humanitarian efforts when the Haiti earthquake struck. Obama was outraged that China beat the US in sending a disaster relief team. Then there were reports that European disaster relief teams were searching for their citizens first. Soon after the media was accusing that of China not mentioning at all that criticism was only made of Western relief teams. And that was a humanitarian effort. This is military action. Can you imagine what crap they're going to fling onto China? Obama is at the UN now for various reasons and he used the "this is the world's problem" line when it comes to ISIS and not just about the US. I'd say it was all personal when he was incensed China beat the US to Haiti.

Helping out the West doesn't at all help China. How many civilians have been killed by terrorists in China? All of the sudden it's a world issue when a few Americans are beheaded? Look at all the dozens of civilians that have been gruesomely axed and chopped to death in China and they report it as China's fault. Even the reports of Chinese ISIS members... they blame it on China why they're fighting for ISIS. Like ISIS isn't a result of Western foreign policy? The people that demand China help aren't going to give credit if China did help. Terrorism in China doesn't affect them so they don't care. China should have the same policy in return.
 
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Come on, we all know that unless there is a UN mandate with host government blessing there is no way China would send its forces on an expedition to fight IS.

Though if something truly outrageous such as a publicized beheading happens to a Chinese civilian I can see China making an exception and with host government blessing carry out a limited punitive spec ops or missile strike if only to pacify demands for revenge from its own citizens.
 

Broccoli

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Chinese did already send assault rifles to Iraq.
Militia fighters elsewhere in the country have similar complaints. A sergeant with the Shiite Kata’in Hezbollah militia unit known as Abu Hakim joined up three months ago and is currently posted near Tikrit. He also reported slow progress.

“Our main concern is that there is no big improvement on the whole, or when there is, it is slow,” he told VICE News. He too is still keen to fight, however. “We are protecting our beliefs, and being a fighter, one has only to consider martyrdom or victory.”

But forces in the area are receiving some outside help. Abu Hakim said his unit has been supplied with foreign weapons, including Iranian anti-material rifles. A shipment of Iranian and Chinese-made assault rifles arrived recently too, he said.
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