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China's President Xi Jinping told a special envoy from Vietnam on Wednesday that both countries should be "friendly to each other" to help mend ties after a flare-up over sovereignty in the South China Sea, the official Xinhua news agency said.
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China and Vietnam is on path to more positive relationship.

No matter how, China is Vietnam closest neighbor while US is a foreign visitor. China will always be there, while US come and go depending on their foreign policy. So US foreign policy and interventionist can be view as troublemakers in the region.

Both China and Vietnam share a common political ideology while they also compete economically on some resources. The question is how to share these resources and develop an economical win situations that benefit both? These requires negotiations, give and take. Coming to aggression does not benefit anyone at all.

Look at Iraq, where they don't want share the oil revenue and distribute among the tribes Sunni, Shiite, Kurdish or whatever. Now they are very poor, no economic activities for the people to do, and they taken in to religious extremism. Idle mind, breeds the devil.

US has bombed Vietnamese countless times and even uses chemical weapons such as Agent Orange and children that grown to adult to this days still having the effect and yet, if Vietnam wants to welcome the US wolf back makes no sense.

To the benefit of Vietnam, having more alliances and partner is good for their economic growth and this is true for China as well.
 
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Blackstone said:
Agreed, but there's also the notion you could criticize and obfuscate data to marginalize outcomes you don't like.

The key takeaway from Pew's poll is the clear theme China's neighbors are nervous about her reemergence, and they want someone to shield them actual, potential, or imaginary harm. At present, that someone happens to be the United States.
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Completely agree with your statements. However I don't think you can convince the other side regardless of the number of opinion polls you throw at them.
 
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Brumby said:
Completely agree with your statements. However I don't think you can convince the other side regardless of the number of opinion polls you throw at them.
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People can make their own judgments based on rational reason without being spoon fed by the media.
 
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nameless said:
People can make their own judgments based on rational reason without being spoon fed by the media.
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Very true, but Stoney's point is that China's neighbors are nervous, and a rational person would agree that their concerns are reasonable, and well founded. Its up to China to re-assure the neighbors that they have no ill intentions, but the escalation of these territorial disputes does the exact opposite. I pray that cooler and wiser heads will prevail in all these situations. That is the most important reasons that all intercepts and overflights be conducted in the most professional manner, I would even encourage aircraft to aircraft communication, its fine to ask what are your intentions, its even fine to advise that we will be sliding under your aircraft to have a look, please maintain course, speed, and heading, after taping or photographs, its even fine to advise, "we will be remaining with you today until you exit the area", that would likely go a long way toward lowering tensions.
 
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Air Force Brat said:
Very true, but Stoney's point is that China's neighbors are nervous, and a rational person would agree that their concerns are reasonable, and well founded. Its up to China to re-assure the neighbors that they have no ill intentions, but the escalation of these territorial disputes does the exact opposite. I pray that cooler and wiser heads will prevail in all these situations. That is the most important reasons that all intercepts and overflights be conducted in the most professional manner, I would even encourage aircraft to aircraft communication, its fine to ask what are your intentions, its even fine to advise that we will be sliding under your aircraft to have a look, please maintain course, speed, and heading, after taping or photographs, its even fine to advise, "we will be remaining with you today until you exit the area", that would likely go a long way toward lowering tensions.
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A rational person does not use a flaw poll to support his assumptions. As for intentions, what constitutes good and ill intentions? Do visits to war criminal shrine, "nationalizing" islands, spying with ships and aircraft, etc. constitute good intentions? It really goes both ways.
 
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Pro-democracy demonstrators vow to continue protests, because Chinese Communist Party wouldn't allow direct and open elections in Hong Kong. My question is how much civil unrest will the Communist overlords tolerate, before sending in the PAP to put down the insurrection?

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Protesters have vowed to paralyze Hong Kong’s financial district after China denied the former British colony the right to elect its next leader in 2017. Protesters started gathering outside Hong Kong’s government headquarters on Sunday night and have said they won’t be leaving anytime soon. “This is the end of any dialogue. In the next few weeks, Occupy Central will start wave after wave of action,” a co-founder of the Occupy Central group said, according to the BBC. “We will organize a full-scale act of occupying Central.”

China on Sunday made it clear Beijing would remain firmly in control of Hong Kong’s political future when the legislature ruled there would be no open nominations for the next election, saying it would create a “chaotic society.” The guidelines now state that there can only be three candidates for the position of Hong Kong’s leader and each must be approved by more than half of a 1,200-member nominating committee that will likely be filled with Beijing loyalists, notes the Associated Press. With its decision, “Beijing has chosen a showdown with a protest movement unlike any it has ever faced on the mainland,” points out the New York Times.

“Today is not only the darkest day in the history of Hong Kong’s democratic development, today is also the darkest day of one country, two systems,” said Benny Tai, a law professor and a leader of the Occupy Central movement. A standoff with a large part of Hong Kong residents is precisely the kind of situation that Deng Xiaoping wanted to avoid when he came up with the “one country, two systems” formula for getting control of Hong Kong from Britain in 1997, notes the Wall Street Journal. Even though the Occupy movement has yet to gain broad support among Hong Kong’s middle class, “any strong measures by China or the Hong Kong police could change that,” notes Reuters.
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nameless said:
A rational person does not use a flaw poll to support his assumptions. As for intentions, what constitutes good and ill intentions? Do visits to war criminal shrine, "nationalizing" islands, spying with ships and aircraft, etc. constitute good intentions? It really goes both ways.
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And who says the polls are flawed? China fanbois will dislike the poll and call them flawed, and China critics will say the opposite. Reasonable people look at the data and use some common sense; is it reasonable for China's neighbors to be concerned about her future hegemonic intentions, even if she swears all the way to Sunday she wouldn't? If your answer is "no," then you're not rational.
 
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And who says the polls are flawed? China fanbois will dislike the poll and call them flawed, and China critics will say the opposite. Reasonable people look at the data and use some common sense; is it reasonable for China's neighbors to be concerned about her future hegemonic intentions, even if she swears all the way to Sunday she wouldn't? If your answer is "no," then you're not rational.
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I and Others have already pointed out the flaws in the poll. In your defense all you can say is that its not flawed. Its obvious who the irrational one is.
 
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Blackstone said:
Pro-democracy demonstrators vow to continue protests, because Chinese Communist Party wouldn't allow direct and open elections in Hong Kong. My question is how much civil unrest will the Communist overlords tolerate, before sending in the PAP to put down the insurrection?

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From 1841 to 1979, all Hong Kong governors were Calkacians and sent by the Majesty of the Great Britain. They did not do a thing.
 
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Blackstone said:
Pro-democracy demonstrators vow to continue protests, because Chinese Communist Party wouldn't allow direct and open elections in Hong Kong. My question is how much civil unrest will the Communist overlords tolerate, before sending in the PAP to put down the insurrection?

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We probably won't know until that line is crossed and Taiwan is watching. As long as it is peaceful it would probably be tolerated.
 
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