reality is, the relative power of the US is dissipating. and it has always been the case that a faraway superpower will struggle to compete with some "local bully" even when said country cannot match the former on a global level. russia is the perfect example, no match for the US, and yet just pulverizing them (figuratively speaking) in ukraine. same with the middle east, the US thought it had everything under control, but it somehow found itself in an unenviable situation where coalescing with iran and syria might be a necessity simply to clamp down on ISIS. all this amplified by a clueless administration with no strategy whatsoever. bottom line is, when you are in somebody else's neighbourhood, expect to play handicapped. i think obama (inspite of his complete failure as a commander in chief) has realized this.
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The position of the US in the World is the outcome of a specific historical development in which WWII played an important role. At the end of that war US had half of the industrial capacity of World and a huge navy and air force. With both economic and military power they were able to establish effective control over many countries. Among those the Middle Eastern countries have been very important: there they had their hands on the oil supply of nearly all countries. As a result they were able to use European military forces in their Afghan adventure, sixty years after the end of WWII.
China will not have such an advantage. Its preferred mechanisme is SCO, which is in the first place an economic system and not to be compared with NATO. SCO is likely to grown significantly, think of India, Pakistant and Iran, and over these countries China will not have the same power as US has over European countries. China will not have an opportunity to establish a thousand military bases all over the World. And China will not develop the tendency to interfere military in other countries as US is wont to do. Think in that especially of the lack of success in many of these interventions.
In short talk about the danger of Chinese dominance is exaggerated, propaganda.
China will not have such an advantage. Its preferred mechanisme is SCO, which is in the first place an economic system and not to be compared with NATO. SCO is likely to grown significantly, think of India, Pakistant and Iran, and over these countries China will not have the same power as US has over European countries. China will not have an opportunity to establish a thousand military bases all over the World. And China will not develop the tendency to interfere military in other countries as US is wont to do. Think in that especially of the lack of success in many of these interventions.
In short talk about the danger of Chinese dominance is exaggerated, propaganda.
Blackstone
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You made good points, and our differences may be more style than substance. Nevertheless, our biggest disagreement is on item number 3-
You made good points, and our differences may be more style than substance. Nevertheless, our biggest disagreement is on item number 3-
According to the Pew article linked below, most of China's neighbors are quite concerned about her territorial disputes, and see the US more as an ally than China; which means Asian nations do indeed want US forces to stick around to balance China.
Blackstone
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Re: East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone
Problem with your argument is China claims she follows international laws. If China isn't talking out of both sides of her mouth, then the world expects China to act as she speaks.
Problem with your argument is China claims she follows international laws. If China isn't talking out of both sides of her mouth, then the world expects China to act as she speaks.
Equation
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That Pew researches has flaws in them. Where's the other Asian countries such as Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Cambodia, Laos, Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and North Korea? Of course if they added these countries that are more in favor with China into the numbers than their claim to China as a territorial monster would not hold water.
You made good points, and our differences may be more style than substance. Nevertheless, our biggest disagreement is on item number 3-
According to the Pew article linked below, most of China's neighbors are quite concerned about her territorial disputes, and see the US more as an ally than China; which means Asian nations do indeed want US forces to stick around to balance China.
That Pew researches has flaws in them. Where's the other Asian countries such as Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Cambodia, Laos, Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and North Korea? Of course if they added these countries that are more in favor with China into the numbers than their claim to China as a territorial monster would not hold water.
Brumby
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There is a saying "If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything." If one already has a pre-conceived view, the objective then is merely to look for anything that supports that view and torture the statistics to suit the narrative.
There is a saying "If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything." If one already has a pre-conceived view, the objective then is merely to look for anything that supports that view and torture the statistics to suit the narrative.
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More data is almost always better than less so the bias would lie with those who try to hide or exclude data.
More data is almost always better than less so the bias would lie with those who try to hide or exclude data.
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According to what I have read, China follows its interpretation of international law where UNCLOS grants a coastal state jurisdiction to enforce its domestic laws prohibiting certain military activities within the EEZ. China’s domestic laws include such provisions, but the United States does not.
According to what I have read, China follows its interpretation of international law where UNCLOS grants a coastal state jurisdiction to enforce its domestic laws prohibiting certain military activities within the EEZ. China’s domestic laws include such provisions, but the United States does not.
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plawolf
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The PRC has a far better track record than America or any other of the P5 when it comes to following international laws that China has signed up to. Has China bent or broken rules and international laws before? Almost certainly. No country can afford to be a selfless saint in this world. But China has done it far less frequently and less brazenly than any of the others.
It's where America and the west tries to enforce rules, or even poorly defined 'norms' that China had no part in establishing nor have signed up to that China tells them to take a long walk off a short peer. And even in that regard, China is only following in the footsteps of the likes of the US, UK and the rest.
How do you think the world order was ever established? For all the fancy hollow words and irony tower snobbery, the current world order that the west and the US cherish so much came about and evolved as they themselves grew, developed, gaining power and influence at the expense of the previous top dog.
That is the true world order we live by today, and it wasn't created by China. The west is just getting testy because China is playing their game better than themselves and gaining ground in a system designed to maintain western superiority in perpetuity.
The PRC has a far better track record than America or any other of the P5 when it comes to following international laws that China has signed up to. Has China bent or broken rules and international laws before? Almost certainly. No country can afford to be a selfless saint in this world. But China has done it far less frequently and less brazenly than any of the others.
It's where America and the west tries to enforce rules, or even poorly defined 'norms' that China had no part in establishing nor have signed up to that China tells them to take a long walk off a short peer. And even in that regard, China is only following in the footsteps of the likes of the US, UK and the rest.
How do you think the world order was ever established? For all the fancy hollow words and irony tower snobbery, the current world order that the west and the US cherish so much came about and evolved as they themselves grew, developed, gaining power and influence at the expense of the previous top dog.
That is the true world order we live by today, and it wasn't created by China. The west is just getting testy because China is playing their game better than themselves and gaining ground in a system designed to maintain western superiority in perpetuity.
SamuraiBlue
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Re: East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone
Simply adding data just raises the amount of noise in which it will always be filtered out. It's like the judging at Olympic games the highest and lowest points are removed to gain a more stable base line.
Simply adding data just raises the amount of noise in which it will always be filtered out. It's like the judging at Olympic games the highest and lowest points are removed to gain a more stable base line.
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