Chinese infantry fighting vehicles

jobjed

Captain
well, this is the first one.The author is my friend.this one is about the different between theM2andBMP2——and why they are different.If you have question ,ask me ——i'm not a English speaker,but i'm a Chinese speaker:)

Here is my interpretations of the article, I haven't gotten around to translating the second and third article; I will when I have time. Please note, my Chinese is not proficient, hence, there could be numerous errors. Regardless, thank you to 'the corner' for an enlightening read.

Explanation of differences between Soviet and NATO IFVs.

In comparatively analysing technologies and doctrines, one can see that doctrines beget new technologies which effect changes in those doctrines, thus creating a perpetual cycle. Once a doctrine has been identified, specific features of a weapon-system designed to serve that doctrine can be discerned. As such, analysing a weapon-system with respect to its user’s doctrine is usually much more telling than a straight-up comparison of specifications.

To understand the purpose and nature of different ‘infantry fighting vehicles’, consider the M2 Bradley and BMP-2 – two contemporaneous designs with comparable armaments (automatic cannons) but differing significantly in stature and mass. Oftentimes, these differences are attributed to the different habits of their respective designers. However, if the Tu-160 and B1 Lancer are to prove anything, it’s that designers are never afraid to imitate elements of adversaries’ designs if the doctrine calls for it. What, then, caused such a wide divergence in the designs of the BMP-2 and M2? Firstly, two mission-types must be distinguished; 冲击 and 突击..
The first means ‘assault’; usually entailing a short breaching operation against enemy lines, measurable in hours, spans only 30-40km across uniform terrain and involves extremely concentrated firepower on both sides.
The second means ‘breakout’; an operation immediately following a successful 'assault', conducted over duration of days, spanning 200-300km across varied terrain, involving relatively sparse firepower and whose aim is to advance further through the breach in enemy lines.

Viewing the M2 and BMP-2, it becomes obvious as to which mission-types for which they were designed. The M2, with its superior firepower and fire-control system, was designed to escort and cover M1 Abrams in the execution of ‘assault’ missions. It has more armour to contend with the concentrated firepower but has diminished mobility and fording capabilities. The BMP-2, emphasising passenger capacity, is meant for ‘breakout’ missions. It has half the mass of the M2, a modest but adequate FCS and armament, superior mobility and fording capabilities but thinner armour that will not last in an ‘assault’ mission.

Thus, in using the M2 Bradley and BMP-2 as comparisons, the effects that doctrines have on weapon-systems design can be clearly perceived.
 

Broccoli

Senior Member
The articl in 95-97# may be helpful to realise the reason of the design.(sorry, I failed to translate it)

What'more even the M2IFV equiped with 25mm will get induced detonation if the fire-extinguishing system failed when the ammunition get hited.
View attachment 10198 (at least ,more than tracks.But what is defferent?)
I think the point are increased protection and upgrade the fire-extinguishing system,rather than use the machine cannon.

All AFV's can burn if they hit, but such vehicles are far more likely to explode when hit if they are stuffed with high explosives. All countries what have been in war recently are arming their new IFV's with 30-40mm autocannons, and none are going with 90-100mm gun. Like I wrote even Russia is abandoning 100mm gun and go for 30mm autocannon.

Even more interesting is that Israelis who have a lot of experience in combat have armed Namer with heavy machine gun or MK19 grenade launcher.
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luhai

Banned Idiot
All AFV's can burn if they hit, but such vehicles are far more likely to explode when hit if they are stuffed with high explosives. All countries what have been in war recently are arming their new IFV's with 30-40mm autocannons, and none are going with 90-100mm gun. Like I wrote even Russia is abandoning 100mm gun and go for 30mm autocannon.

Even more interesting is that Israelis who have a lot of experience in combat have armed Namer with heavy machine gun or MK19 grenade launcher.
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This trend may also due the these nation will be more likely enraged with irregular fighters in urban environment rather than a kursk style mechanized confrontation in a plain somewhere. You equip for the type of war you're expected to fight. In first case 40mm is more than enough (and even overkill) for move target the infantrymen is expected to encounter. While in the latter case, you'll pray you have enough ATGMs and have decent air cover.
 
China may not face any well-armed insurgents or terrorists now but considering the international security landscape it is probable that they will face such opponents even within 5 years time. With the proliferation of anti-materiel rifles most of China's older and/or cheaper APCs and IFVs are vulnerable and really should be considered underarmored against any well-equipped infantry. When armor is going against infantry it should be assumed that the infantry can be attacking from any direction and the weakest area of armor protection is the criteria to be judged. The latest generation of Chinese APCs/IFVs, post-2000s, are supposed to be heavier and hopefully some of this weight goes towards better protection. Does anyone have anything to share regarding this?
 

panzzer

New Member
Registered Member
Yet another 8x8? This is perhaps for export only.

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I'm looking for a picture of the back and the door of the new IFV called VP-10
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
VN12 export IFV as seen in Norinco catalog. Does anyone know the specs?
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the Gun looks like there 30mm the up slope of the Hull reminds me of the ZDB series so I would guess this is the export version meaning a crew of 3 plus 7 troops and amphibious capacity
 
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