Espionage involving China

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Are China’s Online Military Fanboys Accidentally Aiding Foreign Spies?

Chinese state media thinks so. Meet the country's legions of 'junmi.'

The posts read like a cross between an intelligence report, a video game, and a niche photo-sharing site. "I've got pictures of the Global Liberation Army's littoral combat ships," one anonymous Chinese Internet user boasts. Another shares images of F-16 fighter planes and offers to exchange them "with men who like the pomegranate sister." This argot may mean little to most Chinese netizens -- and indeed, the vast majority of Americans -- but it's catnip for the junmi, the ‘military geeks,' who obsess over the latest technology and developments among China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) and other forces around the world.

According to Chinese state media, junmi chatter is also unfortunately valuable information for foreign spies. A May 9 article syndicated in across multiple news sites including Xinhua, China's official news service, warns that "online agents" for "foreign intelligence organizations" have gleaned secrets about China's military from the many online forums which junmi inhabit. It also explains some curious terms of art popular among the cohort: "pomegranate sister," a homophone for the Chinese word for sixteen, denoting F-16s; "Poppa 8," for the Shenyang J-8, a Chinese-built aircraft designed to intercept other aircraft, and jiujiu, or maternal uncle, homophonic with 99, which refers to a ZTZ-99, the PLA's main battle tank.

It's easy to imagine analysts outside of China striving to use all publically available information to advantage, no matter how sketchy. China's ranks of Internet users are still growing by tens of millions each year. Meanwhile, China and chief rival the United States have been trading accusations of cyber espionage for some time. In February 2013, U.S.-based cybersecurity firm Mandiant released a report accusing government-sponsored hackers in the Chinese city of Shanghai of stealing data from a "broad range" of organizations in the United States and elsewhere; on May 19, U.S. officials announced an indictment of five PLA officers in Shanghai on computer fraud and other charges. China responded on May 26 by accusing the United States of massive Internet surveillance of Chinese leaders and institutions.

Junmi slang, the article stresses, evolved from necessity. It's not only a way to distinguish among experienced Chinese military geeks ("hardcore big shrimp") and rookies ("food birds"). It also avoids breaching Article 432 of the country's Criminal Law, which states that intentional or negligent disclosure of Chinese military secrets can lead to up to 10 years in prison for serious offenses. But the leaks, the article laments, are still happening. (The article reads like a contemporary account, but it first made the rounds on the Chinese web in May 2011, before authorities dusted it off, and altered the piece's title to include the warning that writing in so-called "junmi jive" is like "dancing on the edge of a knife.")

Given the size of the junmi community, that may be enough to keep Chinese military authorities nervous. Major Chinese Internet portals such as Sina, Tencent, and Netease feature military channels, and there are dozens of independent online communities including Tiexue (literally, "iron and blood"), Supercamp, and Xilu. These sites, which include articles and discussion forums covering everything from military history to popular jokes, allow enthusiasts to exchange photos and information on the latest weaponry, discuss current events, and game out imaginary conflict scenarios.

These forums occupy a curious role in China's idiosyncratic and constantly expanding online ecosystem. Andrew Erickson, an associate professor at the U.S. Naval War College who focuses on China, tells Foreign Policy that junmi sites may also occasionally reveal what the government would prefer stay secret. But, he adds, the government also likely views the forums as useful to showcase Chinese military achievements, and even perhaps for leaking information when the government "wants to preserve some level of uncertainty or plausible deniability."

Like many Chinese websites, they also provide a space for web users to vent their spleen. Perhaps not surprisingly, many junmi forums brand themselves "patriotic," and posters regularly use derogative terms to refer to countries or groups that they assume to be hostile to China's interests.

Frequent targets include Japan, the Philippines, and most recently, Vietnam, where anti-Chinese riots broke out on May 13. (One May 23 headline on Xilu's homepage reads: "Vietnam -- We Can Fight Our Way to Beijing and Take Your Women," although the article, posted by an anonymous user, offers no credible source for this claim.) The United States also prominently features, its army often referred to as the "GLA," or "Global Liberation Army," a play off the People's Liberation Army (PLA), the name for China's military. The Xinhua article notes the term is frequently invoked among gamers, and originally referred to terrorist forces, but can now also refer to the U.S. military, which Chinese web users sometimes call the "world police."

Patriotism -- or nationalism -- is popular. While traffic numbers are hard to verify, some junmi sites have become serious business ventures. For example, Tiexue founder Jiang Lei, a dropout from Beijing's prestigious Tsinghua University, started the site in 2001, when he was 17. By 2012 and again in 2013, Lei had made Forbes China's "30 Under 30" list of young entrepreneurs. A May 2014 interview in a local Beijing newspaper described Jiang as a dedicated Communist Party member who sees his mission as "reviving the Chinese soul."

Of course, these forums are far from reliable sources of intelligence. The Xinhua article complains that in addition to leaks, rumors and simple mistakes born of ignorance can confuse readers, which easily leads "foreign militaries to reach mistaken judgments about the Chinese military, negatively affecting international public opinion." But given the opacity of the PLA -- which, according to the Pentagon, does not even publish its budget for "procurement of foreign weapons and equipment" -- it's sometimes the best that foreign observers, and even many Chinese, have to go on.

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Pretty pathetic. David Axe wrote the same thing a while ago. The fact is you can see it in here sometimes when there's an accomplishment from China, the trolls come out trying to spoil the party. Like they're looking out for the Chinese government to help curb Chinese internet military enthusiasts from revealing secrets by exposing this? No, this is the pride police upset at seeing pride from ordinary Chinese. First David Axe and now Foreign Policy magazine both write about the same thing? All it tells you is it's not an uncommon mentality. To "expose" this does nothing for Western security. They're just bothered by civilian Chinese being... happy. Think about how they're bothered by what ordinary Chinese are thinking that they have to police happiness because they want to be the only happy people on the planet.

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I am sure professional intelligence agencies and militaries know more about the Chinese military than Chinese internet military fans do, otherwise they have bigger problems than whatever the Chinese military may be up to.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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And the IT trade War rages.
China suggests U.S. may have fabricated evidence for cyberattacks
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BEIJING (Reuters) - China's suggested on Thursday that the United States had fabricated evidence to underpin accusations of cyber attacks and had incited China's neighbors to "stir up trouble" in disputed waters.
The strongly-worded comments by the defense ministry come as relations between the world's two largest economies are increasingly strained by a row over cyberespionage. The United States last week accused five Chinese military officers of hacking into U.S. companies to steal trade secrets.
Asked about proof behind the U.S. allegations, ministry spokesman Geng Yansheng said it would be easy for the United States to fabricate evidence.
"In the field of Internet technology and infrastructure, the U.S. is blessed with an advantage, so fabricating some so-called 'evidence' is certainly no hardship," spokesman Geng Yansheng told a briefing, according to a statement on the ministry's website.
Geng compared U.S. evidence for Chinese cyberspying to allegations produced by Washington in 2003, that Baghdad held weapons of mass destruction, to justify the invasion of Iraq. Those allegations proved to be unfounded.
"The international community has not seen the U.S.'s so-called proof, they've only seen the massive conflict and hardship endured by the people of Iraq," he said.
Geng also said President Barack Obama's "pivot" of military assets to Asia was to blame for "stirring up new troubles" in the South China and East China seas.
"After the U.S. took up the Asia rebalancing strategy, some countries took advantage of its power to behave recklessly, continuously stirring up new troubles in territorial disputes," he said.
Territorial rows have strained several of China's key diplomatic relationships, including those with Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan.
Japan said this week that Chinese aircraft had come within a few dozen meters of its warplanes in the East China Sea where both countries claim a string of uninhabited islands administered by Tokyo. Each side accused the other of dangerous behavior.
Geng said Japanese aircraft had followed Chinese air force patrols at a close distance for long periods of time on several occasions since Beijing put in place an air defense zone last year that includes the disputed islands.
Ties with Vietnam frayed this month over an oil rig China deployed to disputed waters in the South China Sea. That sparked anti-Chinese rioting in Vietnam and confrontations between vessels from the two countries.
"Where this issue is concerned, there is absolutely no room for bargaining and no allowance for provocative behavior," Geng said.
(Reporting By Megha Rajagopalan; Editing by Ron Popeski)

And Cisco systems got dragged in for the Chinese Dressing down
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TerraN_EmpirE

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Dude this is nothing new the PRC has been doing this for years, remember last year when it was Apple? It's a Trend They invited Foreign manufacturers into the PRC and now that the Chinese industry has developed to compete they want to turn the Aliens out. They do this by placing pressure on the plants to give better deals to Chinese Workers, Push them with PR, Op-eds in the people's Daily Claims of Spying, Pushes by regulations and pushes by investing directly in the domestic makers.
It's a Trade War, Protectionism. Political maneuvering to pander to the Domestic makers.
 

justadude

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Dude this is nothing new the PRC has been doing this for years, remember last year when it was Apple? It's a Trend They invited Foreign manufacturers into the PRC and now that the Chinese industry has developed to compete they want to turn the Aliens out.

True, but other countries have done it, more or less, while moving from a developing to a developed nation. anyway, was just point out that unlike previous Presidents, Xi Jinping has shown he has little tolerance for American theatrics, and will retaliate in kind.

" remember last year when it was Apple?"

If I remember correctly, the treatment of Apple was in retaliation of the scapegoating of Huawei and ZTE by US govt, from the previous year.
 
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