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It's done! Looks like Russia and China did sign on the gas deal.

Russia and China reached an agreement Wednesday for Russia to supply China with about a quarter of its annual natural gas consumption over three decades starting in 2018. Russia plans to invest $55 billion and China will contribute about $25 billion, according to Russian President Vladimir Putin, to help build the necessary pipeline and infrastructure to develop gas fields in eastern Siberia and bring those supplies to population centers in northeast China. The total value of the deal, which will supply 38 billion cubic meters of gas annually, is estimated to be $400 billion.

"[T]his is indeed a historic event for Russia’s gas sector," Mr. Putin told reporters at a press conference in Shanghai, wrapping up a two-day state visit with Chinese President Xi Jinping. "It is historic even looking back to the Soviet era, too. This is the biggest contract in terms of sale by volume to any one country in the sector’s entire history, whether the Soviet period or modern Russia."

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China and Russia signed a $400-billion gas supply deal on Wednesday, securing the world's top energy user a major source of cleaner fuel and opening up a new market for Moscow as it risks losing European customers over the Ukraine crisis.

The long-awaited agreement is a political triumph for Russian President Vladimir Putin, who is courting partners in Asia as those in Europe and the United States seek to isolate him over Moscow's annexation of Ukraine's Crimea peninsula.

Commercially, much depends on the price and other terms of the contract, which has been more than a decade in the making.

China had the upper hand as talks entered the home stretch, aware of Putin's face-off with the West.

But both sides could take positives from a deal that will directly link Russia's huge gas fields to Asia's booming market for the first time - via thousands of miles of new pipeline across Siberia that form part of the package.

"This is the biggest contract in the history of the gas sector of the former USSR," said Putin, after the agreement was signed in Shanghai between state-controlled entities Gazprom and China National Petroleum Corp (CNPC).

"Our Chinese friends are difficult, hard negotiators," he said, noting that talks went on until 4 a.m.

"Through mutual compromise we managed to reach not only acceptable, but rather satisfactory, terms on this contract for both sides. Both sides were in the end pleased by the compromise reached on price and other terms," the president said.

Putin and Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping applauded as they witnessed the deal being signed before the Russian leader was to leave Shanghai at the end of a two-day visit.

The agreement came in time for a major economic summit in St. Petersburg starting Thursday. About a dozen chief executives and chairmen of major U.S. and European firms have withdrawn from the forum over the Ukraine crisis.

Putin loyalist and senior parliamentarian Alexei Pushkov, who was included on a U.S. list of sanctions imposed in the wake of the crisis in Ukraine, said the gas deal showed Russia could not be isolated.

"B. Obama should abandon the policy of isolating Russia: it will not work," he tweeted, referring to U.S. President Barack Obama, who has pushed for greater Western punishment of Russia.

QUESTIONS REMAIN

Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller declined to say at what price the deal was struck, but sources at the companies involved said Gazprom refused to go below $350 per thousand cubic metres.

That compares to a price range of $350-$380 most European utilities pay under discounted long-term contracts signed in the last two years. Putin said the formula was similar to the European price tied to the market value of oil and oil products.

For China, the implied price is crucially below the Asian cost of importing liquefied natural gas (LNG), an alternative energy source it is developing.

Increased gas imports will also help Beijing in its declared "war on pollution" aimed at reducing its reliance on coal which contributes to the harmful smog shrouding major cities.

Another potential sticking point in talks was whether China would pay a lump sum up front to fund considerable infrastructure costs.

According to Putin, China will provide $20 billion for gas development and infrastructure, but Miller said the two sides were still in talks over any advance.

The gas will be transported along a new pipeline linking Siberian gas fields to China's main consumption centres near its coast. Russia will begin delivering from 2018, building up gradually to 38 billion cubic metres (bcm) a year.

Russia plans to invest $55 billion in exploration and pipeline construction up to China, and CNPC said it would build the Chinese section of the pipeline.

EUROPE STILL CRUCIAL

The contract with CNPC does not mean Russia is giving up on Europe. Last year, Gazprom supplied western Europe and Turkey with over 160 bcm of gas, dwarfing intended deliveries to China.

And for their part, European consumers cannot easily switch from Russian gas even if they want to.

Beyond supplying China with gas via a pipeline, the 30-year deal opens up an opportunity for Gazprom to become a bigger player in the booming Asian LNG market, a sector it has so far not been involved in on a major scale.

Gazprom is planning to build a new LNG plant on Russia's Pacific coast near Vladivostok, but so far lacks the infrastructure to supply the facility with the amounts of gas necessary to meet demand in the region.

The pipeline to China would change this, ideally positioning Gazprom's Vladivostok terminal close to the leading LNG buyers of Japan and South Korea as well as the rising market on China's eastern coast.

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joshuatree

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West Coast yes.
this is only regarding the Monterrey shale deposits. which as California deposits would likely have not been touched anyway. California is a Blue Blue state. I doubt there would have been a approval to drill.

But the expectation of the deposit can affect the perceptions of US's reliance or independence from Mid-East oil and that can affect worldwide oil prices.

OTOH, China's deal could maybe help reduce the heavy dependence on coal and perhaps improve the pollution situation there.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Now your just reaching. This is one Deposit. It runs from San Francisco to San Diego. And was likely never even to have been tapped as that is a high population area and a very Liberal one to boot. The Heart of American drilling is today in the Mid west not the south west. And today none of it is on government lands either. Basicly the current Fracking revolution is being done with one hand tied behind the US's back, and on top of that there is Canadian oil and Mexican oil.
 

AssassinsMace

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It's done! Looks like Russia and China did sign on the gas deal.



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I was wondering who was going to pay for building the pipeline. China is putting in $20 billion for it. And critics think the Chinese were hard negotiators? How much are Japan and South Korea going to pay to which Russia says also are potential customers? They certainly weren't going to get any gas if China wasn't involved.
 

joshuatree

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Now your just reaching. This is one Deposit. It runs from San Francisco to San Diego. And was likely never even to have been tapped as that is a high population area and a very Liberal one to boot. The Heart of American drilling is today in the Mid west not the south west. And today none of it is on government lands either. Basicly the current Fracking revolution is being done with one hand tied behind the US's back, and on top of that there is Canadian oil and Mexican oil.

No reaching. Half the time, markets are based on sentiment. I did say perceptions.

The new estimate, expected to be released publicly next month, is a blow to the nation's oil future and to projections that an oil boom would bring as many as 2.8 million new jobs to California and boost tax revenue by $24.6 billion annually.

The Monterey Shale formation contains about two-thirds of the nation's shale oil reserves. It had been seen as an enormous bonanza, reducing the nation's need for foreign oil imports through the use of the latest in extraction techniques, including acid treatments, horizontal drilling and fracking.

The energy agency said the earlier estimate of recoverable oil, issued in 2011 by an independent firm under contract with the government, broadly assumed that deposits in the Monterey Shale formation were as easily recoverable as those found in shale formations elsewhere.
 

Miragedriver

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Thailand army announces military coup as talks fail

Army chief announces in live television address that they have seized control of the country's government



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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 

EblisTx

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But the expectation of the deposit can affect the perceptions of US's reliance or independence from Mid-East oil and that can affect worldwide oil prices.

OTOH, China's deal could maybe help reduce the heavy dependence on coal and perhaps improve the pollution situation there.

unlikely, coal is still bloody cheap in China and still be heavily used for energy
 

texx1

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This is no joke. Apparently Italy is so desperate for the illusion of economic recovery/GDP growth. It has decided to add prostitution and illegal drug sales to its 2014 GDP calculation.

Every country manipulates its GDP figures to some extent, but including hookers and blow is a little too desperate, especially for a member of G7.

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Italy will include prostitution and illegal drug sales in the gross domestic product calculation this year, a boost for its chronically stagnant economy and Prime Minister Matteo Renzi’s effort to meet deficit targets.

Drugs, prostitution and smuggling will be part of GDP as of 2014 and prior-year figures will be adjusted to reflect the change in methodology, the Istat national statistics office said today. The revision was made to comply with European Union rules, it said.

Renzi, 39, is committed to narrowing Italy’s deficit to 2.6 percent of GDP this year, a task that’s easier if output is boosted by portions of the underground economy that previously went uncounted. Four recessions in the last 13 years left Italy’s GDP at 1.56 trillion euros ($2.13 trillion) last year, 2 percent lower than in 2001 after adjusting for inflation.

“Even if the impact is hard to quantify, it’s obvious it will have a positive impact on GDP,” said Giuseppe Di Taranto, economist and professor of financial history at Rome’s Luiss University. “Therefore Renzi will have a greater margin this year to spend” without breaching the deficit limit, he said.

A spokesman for the Finance Ministry declined to comment on the new system.

The change in methodology will also bring research and development and arms into the GDP calculation. R&D, now considered investment spending, was previously excluded because it was classified as an intermediate cost.
 
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Equation

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Shale fracking and it's technology are here to stay. It's America's newest form of energy production and less dependent on import natural gas and oil. It's also a new mean for job creation, yes there are some withdraws but IMO it's minor and worth it for the overall benefit of the country. It's a job creation.
 
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